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A bird in the hand? The rangers are not ready to take that risk. While the quantities are known as far as this years ufas. Nobody knows what they are three years from now so while they are known today they aren’t when this team is ready to compete. What also isn’t known is what the rangers have. Right now it’s potential. By definition what they need to spend their money on depends on which prospects work out and which ones don’t. I’m not fearful of missing out. The reason is because this team isn’t ready to fish in those waters. As far as a future trade. You don’t have to hit your team. In fact it’s your choice. Spending like others suggest actually could take that choice out of your hands because of the cap. Bottom line the opposing argument is a tired one for this franchise. The rangers have tried your way over and over and over again. I’m all for going for it but there is a time and a place and that time is not now. The rangers are half way through a rebuild? By what metric? I’m not disagreeing. But the league is littered with teams that have been rebuilding forever. Kakko changes everything? Maybe. Do you think Edmonton maybe thought Mcdavid would change things. How about buffalo with Eichel and dahlin? The problems in both cities are vast but depth is certainly at the forefront. Not sure we willfully want to spend so much on two guys.

But we are in the beginning of a rebuild. The rangers are adding asset after asset. The farm is starting to really be stocked. Why do they have to sign any big time ufa? When the time is right they will have the assets to trade from positional strength to solidify what they need. Look at the best teams, they all have become good through the draft with very little in terms of massive ufas. Toronto is the only one and they are going to lose one of their young guns because of Tavares but they are in year six or seven since their tear down. Even with Tavares though they have ignored their defense

And finally. Next year being in the lottery again would not be a bad place for this team. The 2020 draft is widely considered the best draft since 2003 and maybe the best ever. Another year of development without mortgaging the future would actually make a lot of sense. I know that’s hard to take but it’s the truth. This team should have its eyes on summer of 2020 to make the push you want. And that could all change very easily depending how things unfold but that should be the target.

That should be enough of a reason to say no. You are in the infancy of a rebuild and you admittedly agree to injury concerns to a 29 year old yet have no problem handing him $12m for 7 seasons. That should be gm malpractice. The risk is crippling, like Staal and shattenkirk on steroids. I guess you could always buy him out and have dead cap space for a decade. That wouldn’t be a problem would it? Duncan Keith was a great player too. What happened to him? Bottom line is. If you’re wrong they are fucked. If I’m wrong nothing happens. They just continue to take the positive steps they are taking and hopefully the next time an impact player is available our young core is ready to justify the risk.

Just so I’m clear on what you guys are saying. You are already sold on chytil. Based on what? I see potential but he’s been nowhere close to a consistent player no less an impactful one. Totally acceptable and understandable being he’s 19. However he’s far from a guarantee and he’s probably a couple years away from being if all goes well an impact player on a consistent basis. The 2nd pick and Kravtsov are complete unknowns not in talent but in readiness. They may seemlessly come in next year or they like chytil could take time. It is possible. If it does take time how good is this team even with adding those two ufas? If we are all in agreement that three years is a probable timeframe for contending if things go right. Then why does it seem so far fetched to worry that two guys in their 30’s might regress by that time? Why does anyone believe that they will be the last impact players ever available? Nobody knows that. It’s also not a must to have to sign a big time ufa at some point to win. It’s far more likely to build your team organically and add those guys as rentals when the year is right. As far as dzingel goes, people asked for another option because they just can’t do nothing major. I’d rather not sign him or Hayes either unless four years is ok with them. And Phil I understand you will figure out the cap later if these guys need to get paid three four years from now. However your point in signing these guys is because you believe in the young guys and their trajectory. Well if they do meet expectations there is going to be a problem because these two ufas will be making $24m of the cap and they aren’t signing without a ntc. Which would mean you maybe losing some early 20’splayrs for two guys in their 30’s and on downsides of their careers. Doing this is like putting ourselves in the blackhawks shoes without the cups. They had to pay Toews, Kane, seabrook, and Keith because of their success. Only Kane now isn’t a drag on that franchise. The other three and their cap hit is directly responsible for their fall into the abyss. You guys could be right. I totally admit that. Both guys could play 7 great years. All these prospects could all hit. There is never another good ufa ever. All is possible. Myself I’m just not ready to throw all the chips in the middle right now. This is the rangers we are talking about here. You really think those contracts aren’t going to burn us. If they do you are killing this rebuild in its crib.

Yes they were up and coming. None of the guys you mention on the ranger side of prospects have done squat in the nhl. The other guys have had careers yet that doesn’t take away of what they were thought to be at the time. Zibanejad is the only proven. Which is the entire point. You guys are looking to spend like your contending and most of the core guys you want to count on can’t legally drink and have had zero nhl success. The Hey maybe Columbus though really is the bar for all contending teams.

It goes past just those guys. Everyone wanted parise too. Thank god he went home. Nobody worries about 4-5 years from now. You should because that should be this squads coming of age time. It will be a shame if they are anchored by contracts that helped at a time when they had no chance. Why risk the future for little chance now? I don’t get it. Why rush into this shit. Another thing. Kakko is great get but he’s still a child. Literally. He’s not the messiah. He’s a proper piece to build around. A proper piece who won’t be in his prime for years. Again. Years. Yes that’s right, years from now. It makes no sense to sign guys to contracts that will be in decline when our core is just entering their primes.

Minnesota at the time of signing sited and parise were an up and coming team. If anything they were further along then the rangers are now. But again which team won the cup buying their main pieces? How many times have the rangers been burned in free agency? What do they say about not learning from your mistakes? Rangerstown. Where the only way to travel is the short yellow bus.

Yup that’s what I’m saying. He’s almost 30. He played 50 games this year. He’s had multiple injuries in his past. Nobody would offer a player $11m for 7 years based on 50 games. He is going to get paid based on his past. Debating his future is what matters. That’s what you are paying for. People here are basically asking the rangers to copy the Minnesota Wild model. They want to buyout past stupid signings only to hurry up and sign a new one. Then argue that’s it’s not likely that it will happen again. It’s more rare that it actually works when signing a deal of that magnitude. Also is there a team ever that has won a cup while acquiring their franchise players by ufa? I’m just asking because I can’t think of any

This year is the past year. Key word, past.

Nobody ever thinks it’s a mistake until they sign the player and then realize that they still need more and the player they signed is being paid for what they did in the past instead of what their future is going to be.

Told by whom? Just curious

I wanted Dobson or Bouchard but still Kravtsov looks good. Still time will tell.

I thought the rangers wanted makar.

And if that’s your reasoning why are you trading Georgiev? Another ridiculous argument here. Obviously those who want to trade him don’t believe he’s any good. Yet they want to package him with pionk and presto there is some retarded gm that is going to give you a first for that trash. The premise of the entire conversation is ludicrous. Some team should be convinced by 40 games that he’s the real deal yet those who want to trade him aren’t at all convinced of anything. If you actually think he’s good why the hell would you trade him? Shestyorkin is unproven, you’re right, just like knight, yet the rangers should trade away Georgiev and rely on an unproven goalie. Yet you’re reasoning to why another team would make the deal is so not to rely on an unproven goalie? Do you see the hypocrisy in your points. Just come out and say it? You don’t think Georgiev is any good yet maybe some idiot will fall for his last two months and trade us a nice piece.

The jets pick is Sonewhere between 22-24 right now if no conference final. So we are going to trade that pick, kreider, Georgiev and a 2nd to move up to 13?

Why would a team trade a late first for Georgiev when they can just draft knight with that pick?

Too many video games

Big fan of Newhook myself. He’s probably some years away but he’s a really good prospect. Also a big fan of Pelletier although I think he’s a wing.

By most accounts I’ve seen is that he has an accurate shot but all in all if he has a weakness it’s his shot. His release and power need improvement. He’s 18 and he’s not a finished product. His compete level is through the charts as is his hockey smarts. Like most young players he has work to be done defensively. Basically the things he needs to improve are all easily attainable. This is the best 24 hours for rangers hockey maybe since 94. Myself Hughes is the better prospect if both meet their ceilings. Kakko is the safer bet though. Either way there is nothing but excitement with whomever they get. Lastly this news only solidifies my option of avoiding the big contract this summer. I know others see it the other way. Everything is progressing nicely and the future is bright. Armed with cap space and an abundance of high end prospects the rangers should sign that top flight ufa when they are better informed to what their needs are. As of today if Kakko is their man the money should be spent at center and defense. Again as of today, a lot can change and most certainly it will. It never hurts to just add talent. But the cap is real. And hopefully three years from now we are resigning our franchise player who is 21 to a massive contract. And hopefully not at the cost of some of our other really good young players because we spent wildly this summer. Patience please. Maybe this is a sign that the rangers can build like other teams and not always be the aggressive big spenders.

We will be reading plenty in the weeks to come that the devils may choose Kakko instead of Hughes. The gap has been closing monthly. Kakko is playing in the worlds against men while Hughes is playing in the under 18’s. If Kakko has a good tournament it will be a toss up in the end I think Hughes goes 1 because he’s a center and the devils will be terrified of passing on him only to see him as a ranger. In all honesty I’m glad we are 2 it puts it out of our hands to screw up and either way we get a really good player.

I’m not endorsing signing or not signing kreider. That depends on the contract. My point is the kreider has never reached potential because maybe his puck skills and awareness never came close to his skating and strength.

And kreider is not your typical power forward. He’s one of the fastest guys in the league. The fact that’s hes big and strong makes him comparable butttpical power forwards don’t skate half as well as kreider. In fact 90% of the league doesn’t.

While I agree that I don’t like signing kreider long term, I don’t think he’s a player that doesn’t have 5 more Kreider like years. His game has no frills. It’s straight line go to the net. Unless injury derails him there is nothing that makes meworry about him other than his usual disappearing act which has nothing to do with age. In fact maybe age will help him from disappearing for to long. It’s the guy who handles the puck all game that I worry about. As the game speed increases and he ages will he keep up? That is not kreiders game, it’s panarins.

I would think kreiders speed will actually help him as he gets older. His skating will never be the reason he won’t be able to play.