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How could you possibly know that? Is he even half the defensive player datsyuk was?

Honestly chytil looks a couple of years away from becoming a top 6 anything. Rushing him at this point makes no sense. However it could very well be that?s he a wing, which leaves a glaring hole st center going forward

The only answer to the core thus far is Zibanejad, panarin, ek and the young guys. The young guys are years away from being anything to rely on. Most of them aren’t even rangers yet. The ones that are are all struggling. Which is expected but what are they?

Shattenkirk is not on their level. The rangers were months from issuing a letter calling a rebuild and days from trading a top 6 center for futures. I’m on board with the Stepan move but signing shattenkirk was directly at odds with the trade. It’s lacks vision. Tearing it all down to go full rebuild is at odds with signing massive long term deals to guys who will be in their mid 30’s when these young guys establish themselves as nhl players. We don’t even know which guys will pan out and where the depth of the future team will be. What will be the needs? Who knows. I’m not advocating waiting years before chasing players like panarin and ek. I’m just waiting until I get a better idea of what they have. What is Andersson and Howden? Look like bottom 6 forwards to me but way to early to say. Chytil has potential but is he buchnevich three years from now still being taught lessons or is he a consistent pro? So with just those questions who are the centers here? Having to get one from the outside is going to cost big money. Three years from now the patience waiting for them will be long gone and the money will be tied up. Shestyorkin has all but been handed the net on here for the next decade plus. There is no guarantee he’s the guy. So what if you need a goalie? What does that cost? Kravtsov seems to be the safest bet and he’s a wing. Maybe he’s a star and while it would be great to have two with panarin. I’ll wait on committing to 7 year deals until I have more answers. I get the argument of signing all stars at 27. But what are you adding them too? A skeleton roster of holdovers and kids you hope to develop. Macdavid and drasitl are putting up ungodly numbers in Edmonton yet what good is it. If the best player in the world can’t drag a shot roster to the playoffs why will panarin?

I’m also sure Zibanejad will not need a raise in three years if he continues this production.

Rangers have no experience with having anchor contracts. I’m sure that after panarin and ek they will resist adding salary. And you will resist in wanting them too.

And I’m not comparing them. I’m pointing out that those arguing with me had the same argument regarding those two players. Richards I was on board with shattenkirk I was not. Doesn’t matter. It does matter that there isn’t a guy who becomes available that you don’t think they should go after.

Three pages of posts. Going back and fourth and now I’m whining? Calling out that bullshit is not playing the victim.

So don’t be fine with it. I don’t like panarin as much as you. Is that really a big deal? Ek has a rap sheet of injury problems, is that not true? You admit there is risk. I don’t view any wingers other than ovechkin as franchise players and he’s old now. That includes hall. Macdavid, Tavares, Matthews all get the money you’re talking about. They are centers, huge difference. The rangers are almost bare bones now in the rebuild process. To me I’m trying to build the team I want not just take the best available. I’ll wait and build the foundation until I can get the franchise guy at the position I think matters. Maybe I draft that guy, trade for him, or god blesses me with making him available by free agency. Regardless I hope, I pray there is a blueprint in the minds of the rangers brass of what this team looks like when it’s in completion. Not the names but the types of players and the positions they fill. The same people who will tell you that draft picks are lottery tickets and that the rangers can never draft for shit, now can’t part with any of them if a young game changing talent becomes available. Again I’m not advocating to make a trade right now. I’m advocating to stay the course. Draft and develop and use the newly created cap space to their advantage to acquire players cap strapped teams are forced to move. Just don’t make any long term commitments to guys that will be in their mid 30s when this team is hopefully ready to contend. So often these conversations get lost in bullshit. Taylor hall vs panarin. Who cares? The rangers aren’t ready for either In my Opinion

Now I’m whining for defending my point of view. So you insult me because you can’t change my mind. Seems reasonable. I’m sure if I respond in kind I will get an infraction I was referring to king and Phil when I said both. And both had the same argument when shattenkirk was a ufa. Just forget that this time they are right and having a different opinion is obviously wrong headed.

No it doesn’t matter. Because I’m talking about a 3-5 year plan here. There will be guys available in that time. Even if it’s 5 guys a decade, by those numbers somebody will be there in the next couple of years. Just forget that tampa, Winnipeg and Toronto are both going to lose some really good players because of the cap. Having space would be ideal to take advantage of that situation. Talking about who’s available two three years from now is way more complicated than you want to quantify. Of course some of those guys may have to be traded for but the cap doesn’t care how you acquired them. The rangers by selling off their roster have set themselves up to have the assets to make those trades when the roster clarifies. Give it time and you will get your game breakers and $11m player.

S so sign him. You love it. I hate it. We’ll see. And why the fuck would the rangers tear it down if the plan was to sign these two. Why not keep Hayes and zucc? They would still have all the young guys you want to build around that are currently ranger property. I know they would have to free up cap. Maybe if they didn’t sign a terrible ufa deal with shattenkirk, that you both had to have, sound familiar, they could have.

Assbackwards way of building a team but ok. All those young guys will need to get paid before those contracts end. Assuming they all grow into what’s expected you will have a problem five years from now. Hopefully ek can still walk by then.

Rangers are a bunch of kids who are hopefully pieces and place holders. Typical rebuilding team in its infancy. Bad enough to hopefully keep panarin or ek from wanting to sign here. Of course money speaks and the rangers spend like drunken sailors.

Good point. It takes a team to win. Right now there is no team.

Doesn’t matter. I’m not advocating signing any massive long term ufas anytime soon. Not until the foundation is set. Right now there is no core.

As have I. I’m not arguing the player I’m arguing the risk and the timing. Richards and gaborik are two ufas that the rangers signed. I thought they were never available?

Ok. Columbus 2016-2017. No panarin. 108 points 2017-2018 with panarin. 97 points This year 81 points with roughly 12 games left Not saying he made them worse but hard to say he made them better what can definitely be said is that the rangers can go forward and compete next year and beyond without him. Columbus adding panarin was much like the rangers when they added Nash. It made sense and come playoff time you want that game breaker which he is. Problem is the rangers aren’t ready to contend. When they are game breakers become available. Like Nash did for us or St. Louis. How well it worked out isn’t the point. They were there.

Ok so you see a 15-18 point improvement. Fair enough I disagree. What if they add only one of them?

I can give a shit about hall. Can we see next season first? I’m not shitting on panarin he’s a fine player. Nobody wants to discuss the obvious because you can’t. Did Columbus get better? By actual record? Franchise players are rare that’s for sure. I just don’t view him as one. Really how many wings are?

I’m not implying to wait for the next one. I’m saying the rangers are not in a spot to invest in long term massive contracts that could come back to bite them in the ass at the exact point this team is finally turning the corner. It all could work out great you maybe right. But it can all go to shit to with the contract. My point is that taking that risk makes sense when you’re competing for a cup not when you’re trying to figure out who the fuck is your core two three years from now. You advocated for another who wanted to be here. Thank god shattenkirk only got four years. I get it’s different with panarin. He’s 27 or 28 now but in khl years he’s really 22. Nobody knows how he’s going to age.

I’m not advocating for hall I’m simply pointing out that he maybe available next summer. Tavares was there last summer. Doesn’t seem as rare as you say. Why does it bother so many that I’m preaching patience. We all know (maybe we don’t and that’s the problem) how well buying free agents has worked out for this franchise. A parade every hundred years surely proves the point of having to strike when the next toy is there. Certainly this summer is the end of franchise players ever being available. I guess the bigger question is what if he doesn’t sign here? It’s obvious here that there could be no possible way to move forward. For if there was then maybe I’d have a point.

Oh and Kravtsov. Because on nhl19 20 year old kids integrate immediately and don’t need time to develop. Same with Shestyorkin he will come and be lights out. So many questions.

Why don’t we start with what the core is of this new team. List the guys we are building around. Zibanejad and skeij, if I give you skeij are the only proven guys I can see Kreider if they resign him and commit big money and big term Chytil, Anderson, Howden, Hajek, ada, pionk. All are probably yes but none are sure things. Buch I don’t know. He’s far from a consistent nhl player Strome, fast, Namestnikov, nieve, lemieux, Vesey. I don’t think the rangers are committed to any of them as far as a core of the future. Lemieux possibly but a bottom six guy. So what’s the core? Zibenjad and skeij and pray? Some of the young guys will pan out and some won’t. But most will take considerably longer to get their legs under them than most want to admit.

Why is it pie in the sky? Why is it that this fan base sees the need to have to be in on every single guy that does become available. At the very least why can’t they even leave room for a different idea! Where is the actual proof of panarin moving the needle for the team he plays for? Did Columbus improve? You want to throw stats at me fine then let’s look at team records. Did they improve? So the rangers will finish around 80 points this year more than likely. So with panarin what’s the expectation? As far as hall goes. You have no idea if he resigns. What I do know is that if the rangers sign panarin they won’t be able to sign hall. What I do know is that if they sign panarin and ek they become far less likely in the future to be able to be involved if a bigger or better name becomes available. What I do know is that signing panarin doesn’t make them a contender next year or the year after that. Nobody even knows if the rangers have a capable goalie in two/three years. There are so many holes and questions with this team. Adding panarin would certainly fill a hole. But at $11 or $12m a year? No thanks not ready for that.