Pete Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 It's not bat shit to think 21 year old Bedard will be starting the curve to begin surpassing McDavid in 3 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pete said: It's not bat shit to think 21 year old Bedard will be starting the curve to begin surpassing McDavid in 3 years. For me to call Bedard the best player in the league he needs to win multiple scoring titles. That's not happening in 3 years. McDavid won 5 of the last 7 and the two years he didn't win he was 2nd. Edited April 28 by Long live the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 15 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Yea. Totally a shame that covid cut two of those years short and you're gonna nit pick another over 123 points in 80 games. And the other years? It's not nitpicking. It's called looking at an entire career. He was in the league for 4 years before Covid. Rookie season injuries. Then 100, 108, 116. Progressing but still. You don't ignore results in totality. and besdies, you're moving the entire argument. I don't care if he paced 125 points at 25 years old. I countered your comment that we should dismiss 3 years into the future because you seem to think you can read into the future of a guy approaching 30 when there are other guys, such as a MacKinnon who's months older that outperformed McD this year. it's quite possible that McD won't be the best player in the league for the 2027/28 season. I'm not sure how that can be proven as incorrect in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Keirik said: That wasn't the initial conversation. Was just a normal that his gap is closing It was whether he will be in 3 years. I'm not sure how anyone can know that given he will be 30 I very much doubt that McDavid will still be McJesus at 30 years of age. Physiology is mostly fixed over time and 1/10 of your lifespan to date is a large interval for negative physiological factors to set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 minutes ago, Keirik said: And the other years? It's not nitpicking. It's called looking at an entire career. He was in the league for 4 years before Covid. Rookie season injuries. Then 100, 108, 116. Progressing but still. You don't ignore results in totality. and besdies, you're moving the entire argument. I don't care if he paced 125 points at 25 years old. I countered your comment that we should dismiss 3 years into the future because you seem to think you can read into the future of a guy approaching 30 when there are other guys, such as a MacKinnon who's months older that outperformed McD this year. it's quite possible that McD won't be the best player in the league for the 2027/28 season. I'm not sure how that can be proven as incorrect in 2024. Those 100 and 108 point seasons both won him the scoring title. Kucherov just had a career year at 30. Panarin at 32. It's more crazy to think McDavid will stop scoring than it is to think he'll keep this pace for 3 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 28 minutes ago, Long live the King said: For me to call Bedard the best player in the league he needs to win multiple scoring titles. That's not happening in 3 years. McDavid won 5 of the last 7 and the two years he didn't win he was 2nd. I don't disagree, but my point was it's not bat shit to think 21 year old Bedard will be starting the curve to begin surpassing McDavid in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, Pete said: I don't disagree, but my point was it's not bat shit to think 21 year old Bedard will be starting the curve to begin surpassing McDavid in 3 years. Right. He'll be up there, but this whole debate started with me pushing back on "garunteed best player in the league within 3 years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Right. He'll be up there, but this whole debate started with me pushing back on "garunteed best player in the league within 3 years." Yeah, I was trying to reel that idea back in into something more palatable. At some point you would hope that players coming into the league for three or four years and turning 21 or 22 would be better than players turning 30 or 31... That said, I don't know why Bedard doesn't "deserve" another top draft pick riding shotgun. What did he ever do to anybody? I prefer not to see that pick go to Columbus which has been completely inept in terms of how to manage talent for the last decade, and they don't even have a GM so who knows what the fuck they're going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 24 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Those 100 and 108 point seasons both won him the scoring title. Kucherov just had a career year at 30. Panarin at 32. It's more crazy to think McDavid will stop scoring than it is to think he'll keep this pace for 3 more years. Correct. By 8 points one year (with Kucherov 8 points behind) and 11 points another year (with Crosby playing 7 less games) but I'm still not understanding how any of this means he will remain the best in the game for the 27/28 season? In terms of production, there are arguments in the past and present that he's more of a 1/1a with some other guys. There are years in his past where he absolutely is in another class as well. But none of that guarantees anything 3 years from now. it's a fun argument to have but I'm not betting against Father Time at some point. Whether the best is Bedard? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 McDavid won't be McDavid when he loses a step. Who knows when that will happen....could be at 30. Even Gretzky wasn't Gretzky anymore after he turned 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I don't see it happening that early. Generational talents are different. In what year did the consensus change from Crosby to McDavid as "The best player in the world"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Will the Sharks be "Celebrining" tonight? Edited May 7 by Abe Froman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Abe Froman said: Will the Sharks be "Celebrining" tonight? Chicago is rebranding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Out of all the teams left, SJ better win the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 16 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: Out of all the teams left, SJ better win the lottery. They did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Not a great sign when a highlight they show for a 1OA is a gifted neutral zone turnover that didnt lead to a goal again Latvia lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Saw this earlier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 4/28/2024 at 12:48 PM, Pete said: Connor McDavid turned Hyman into a 50G player. The most miraculous feat since Panarin turned Ryan Strome into a 21 goal player. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Sod16 said: The most miraculous feat since Panarin turned Ryan Strome into a 21 goal player. Okay so what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 As long as this is the Ranger pick... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/597680/dean-letourneau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 46 minutes ago, Long live the King said: As long as this is the Ranger pick... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/597680/dean-letourneau Him Rempe and edstrom on the 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 8 minutes ago, siddious said: Him Rempe and edstrom on the 4th in Hartford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Looks like the Shark Tank worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 22 minutes ago, siddious said: Him Rempe and edstrom on the 4th Except he is more like Tage Thompson than Rempe. https://theathletic.com/5356320/2024/03/29/nhl-draft-2024-dean-letourneau-prospect/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 22 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Except he is more like Tage Thompson than Rempe. https://theathletic.com/5356320/2024/03/29/nhl-draft-2024-dean-letourneau-prospect/ Then it’ll be a sick 4th line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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