Should the Rangers Consider Trading K'Andre Miller?

[Pete]

1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said:

That’s the play where someone tried to blame Panarin 

Yes, the only player on the ice who actually had his check LOL.

[The Dude]

21 hours ago, Pete said:

Nah. I didn't miss anything. There's one line firing right now. Zibenejad. And it's mostly due to... Zibenejad and Tarasenko. 

Might want to check the game logs for the last 5 or so games. Kreider and Trocheck are piling up goals and assists. Kane is a little behind,  but the line is most certainly clicking. 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Might want to check the game logs for the last 5 or so games. Kreider and Trocheck are piling up goals and assists. Kane is a little behind,  but the line is most certainly clicking. 

Don't need to. I watched em all. Game logs don't show chemistry. 

[The Dude]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

Don't need to. I watched em all. Game logs don't show chemistry. 

[BrooksBurner]

 

Leave it open

[Keirik]

Everybody creams over him getting 4 points in one period when he routinely leaves open 4 forwards every period 

[Cash or Czech]

I still want to see what he can do with proper coaching and a defensive scheme that exists 

[goondman]

9 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

I still want to see what he can do with proper coaching and a defensive scheme that exists 

Excellent point! 

[Ozzy]

10 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

I still want to see what he can do with proper coaching and a defensive scheme that exists 

 

1 hour ago, goondman said:

Excellent point! 

 

I'd like to see him with Schneider!

[Pete]

10 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

I still want to see what he can do with proper coaching and a defensive scheme that exists 

This.

 

Seems pretty clear to me that you solve defensive zone issues by teaching defensive zone coverage and not by trading defensemen on pace for 50 points at even strength. You make that work for as long as your cap allows because again, it's obvious that the ability to put pucks in the net is much more valuable because you really can't teach offensive ability, but you can teach defensive coverage. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Pete

[Keirik]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

This.

 

Seems pretty clear to me that you solve defensive zone issues by teaching defensive zone coverage and not by trading defensemen on pace for 50 points at even strength. You make that work for as long as your cap allows because again, it's obvious that the ability to put pucks in the net is much more valuable because you really can't teach offensive ability, but you can teach defensive coverage. 

You felt this exact same way about ADA when he was 23/24 right? 

[Ozzy]

2 minutes ago, Keirik said:

You felt this exact same way about ADA when he was 23/24 right? 

 

ADA is a door slammer....K' is a spitter....two different "offensive" tactics!!  LOL

[Keirik]

27 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

 

ADA is a door slammer....K' is a spitter....two different "offensive" tactics!!  LOL

For sure lol. I prefer Miller regardless but defensively, they are pretty close in a bad way lol 

 

at least eye test wise 

[BrooksBurner]

39 minutes ago, Keirik said:

You felt this exact same way about ADA when he was 23/24 right? 

[Albatrosss]

2 hours ago, Keirik said:

You felt this exact same way about ADA when he was 23/24 right? 

if you werent a mod....

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Keirik said:

You felt this exact same way about ADA when he was 23/24 right? 

Key isn't a cunt.

 

I had no issues with ADA play. His bullshit is the issue.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Pete

[Long live the King]

3 hours ago, Keirik said:

For sure lol. I prefer Miller regardless but defensively, they are pretty close in a bad way lol 

 

at least eye test wise 

 

That's not true at all.  Miller's problem is positioning, due to lack of structure, he doesn't get beat like this...

 

 

 

[Keirik]

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

 

That's not true at all.  Miller's problem is positioning, due to lack of structure, he doesn't get beat like this...

 

 

 

100% disagree. Key is caught flat footed a ton, turned around the wrong way, and in spots he shouldn't be in the first pla e. Cant blame Gallant for every single thing. 

 

[Keirik]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Key isn't a cunt.

 

I had no issues with ADA play. His bullshit is the issue.

I mean sure. Later mostly IMO. But he wasn't really a cunt the year he paced 50 points even strength. In fact, that year got him a decent 2 year deal.  But then we heard how redundant his production was because of Fox even though ADA outpaced what Miller is doing right now at even strength in less playing time. Nownit seems a bit strange to talk about how special the same production is.

 

Not trying to make this into anything more than just what it is. Miller is bad defensively. Like ADA was. It makes sense since he's newer to the position but in the meantime it costs us.  

 

[Long live the King]

7 minutes ago, Keirik said:

I mean sure. Later mostly IMO. But he wasn't really a cunt the year he paced 50 points even strength. In fact, that year got him a decent 2 year deal.  But then we heard how redundant his production was because of Fox even though ADA outpaced what Miller is doing right now at even strength in less playing time. Nownit seems a bit strange to talk about how special the same production is.

 

Not trying to make this into anything more than just what it is. Miller is bad defensively. Like ADA was. It makes sense since he's newer to the position but in the meantime it costs us.  

 

 

Why are we trying to compare Miller and ADA? 

 

ADA is use specifically for his offense.  For his career he has 62% OZ starts.  He doesn't separate people from the puck.  His role is to generate offense from the blueline.

 

Miller gets 54% DZ starts.  He separates people from the puck.  His role is to play defense, which he would be much better at if his coach put put a system in place for him to use.  Despite being used in a defensive role, he is generating significant offense.  

[Phil]

I don't think the two players compare at all, or very little. Miller is pacing what he's pacing at nearly 100% even strength. DeAngelo is, always has been, and always will be, a PP specialist. He does what he does because his supreme offensive skills generally translate often on the man advantage.

 

Yes, they're both bad in their own end, but this isn't really an apples to apples comparison.

[Keirik]

23 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

 

Why are we trying to compare Miller and ADA? 

 

 

I don’t know, because it’s a message board? 
 

I do agree with @Philthat it’s less apples to apples but tha5 doesn’t mean we can’t discuss some things without getting bent out of shape over it. 

[Keirik]

19 minutes ago, Phil said:

I don't think the two players compare at all, or very little. Miller is pacing what he's pacing at nearly 100% even strength. DeAngelo is, always has been, and always will be, a PP specialist. He does what he does because his supreme offensive skills generally translate often on the man advantage.

 

Yes, they're both bad in their own end, but this isn't really an apples to apples comparison.

True, but if we just look at the comparable seasons, here is what we get. 
 

68 games played by both ADA in 19/20 and Miller this year currently. 

(Even strength)

ADA

12g/22a at 16:09 EV TOI

 

Miller

8G/25a at 19:29 EV TOI

[Long live the King]

1 hour ago, Keirik said:

I don’t know, because it’s a message board? 
 

I do agree with @Philthat it’s less apples to apples but tha5 doesn’t mean we can’t discuss some things without getting bent out of shape over it. 

 

Who's bent out of shape? 

[Long live the King]

1 hour ago, Keirik said:

True, but if we just look at the comparable seasons, here is what we get. 
 

68 games played by both ADA in 19/20 and Miller this year currently. 

(Even strength)

ADA

12g/22a at 16:09 EV TOI

 

Miller

8G/25a at 19:29 EV TOI

 

These numbers lack a lot of context.  All EV TOI isn't created equal, especially dmen.  ADA was force fed offensive opportunities.  He's a guy you put on the ice after the other team ices the puck specifically to capitalize on tired opponents. He's the guy you take off the ice when the opponent's top 6 is out.  Miller is deployed in a much more defense focused role.  He's a guy put out there to go against the other teams top 6.  It actually makes Miller's point total that much more impressive given the role he is asked to play.