Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, fletch said: It's remarkable how often when the two favored teams in a group face off, how many times we end up seeing a 0-0 result for both teams. The positive spin is this is tournament tactics - they figure with wins against the bottom-feeders, a draw keeps them safe to advance. The cynic might read a bit more into the situation, especially given the Disgrace of Gijon. https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-disgrace-of-gijon-was-a-match-so-awful-it-changed-football-forever/ https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/world-cups-101-most-memorable-moments-the-disgrace-of-gijon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón The integrity of the sport is most threatened when both teams achieve a beneficial result without sincere competition to the detriment of other teams in the group. I'm not suggesting there is conversation between teams before games. But the athletes on the pitch are intelligent and know the desired results needed for each team. By body language, amount of aggression, tactics, team structure, etc, it is pretty clear whether a team is playing for a draw or for a win. And having struggled through Denmark-Tunisia 0-0 and Mexico-Poland 0-0 today, flashes of brilliance, saved penalty shot, but lots of tedium while both teams played very conservatively. All of that is a moot point for the most part now because the last game of each group is always played at the same time. Draws happen. What happened in 1982 is irrelevant. There’s nothing at all wrong with it except the previous situation that has been corrected. There is absolutely zero reason to change that for the western world of sports when the rest of the world is perfectly fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) On 11/22/2022 at 7:58 PM, Keirik said: Blah. Americans. Sorry about your Poland today On 11/23/2022 at 1:06 AM, Keirik said: All of that is a moot point for the most part now because the last game of each group is always played at the same time. Draws happen. What happened in 1982 is irrelevant. There’s nothing at all wrong with it except the previous situation that has been corrected. There is absolutely zero reason to change that for the western world of sports when the rest of the world is perfectly fine with it. (not relevent to World Cup) Edited December 4, 2022 by fletch outdated cultural reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Another 0-0 game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 8 hours ago, fletch said: 2-2, 3-3, etc can be riveting. I'm specifically commenting on nil-nil. Did you watch Tunisia-Denmark or Morocco-Croatia? Both decent games that ended nil-nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 9 hours ago, fletch said: 2-2, 3-3, etc can be riveting. I'm specifically commenting on nil-nil. Yes they can be, but I hate ties. Someone should win a sports game. That’s just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 Christ it's either 0-0 or underdogs winning. Japan coming back strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 Amazing win for Japan. This group is now chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) And I thought they weren't gonna Boycott the World Cup, seems they just wanted to block a spot and then get home fast. Edited November 23, 2022 by H-Dreamer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 8 hours ago, fletch said: I've played, coached, and watched for 40+ years, listened and learned from people from many nations. I have thin skin when it comes to prejudice against Americans because I've seen the running inside global joke for many years. American players are hacks (physical) with tunnel vision (don't distribute) and lack ball skills. American fans don't understand nor appreciate the beautiful game and should stick to other sports. I'm offended by what you've written in several posts. It's possible for us to disagree about draws without you pissing on Americans and making sweeping generations. Umm, I'm an American. I stand by exactly what I said. This isn’t a soap box moment. I never said 3/4 of what you’re saying. I think it’s silly to change an entire sport. Ties are fine in tournament group stages or long domestic seasons. Sorry if my opinion bothers you, but there is nothing wrong with the sport as it is. I've played, coached, and watched for close to 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, fletch said: I've played, coached, and watched for 40+ years, listened and learned from people from many nations. I have thin skin when it comes to prejudice against Americans because I've seen the running inside global joke for many years. American players are hacks (physical) with tunnel vision (don't distribute) and lack ball skills. American fans don't understand nor appreciate the beautiful game and should stick to other sports. I'm offended by what you've written in several posts. It's possible for us to disagree about draws without you pissing on Americans and making sweeping generations. This is satire, right? If not, it's a huge overreaction. If you don't like tournament strategy, change the format. The top teams haven't even been the ones to draw 0-0, it's the middle teams. France won 4-1. England won 6-2. Germany lost 2-1. Argentina lost 2-1. I watched Denmark-Tunisia and Morocco-Croatia and neither team was playing for a draw. I missed Mexico-Poland, but Lewandowski missed a penalty. Edited November 23, 2022 by Cash or Czech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: Amazing win for Japan. This group is now chaos I can’t believe how far Germany has fallen in recent years. They really are a team in transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Really looking forward to Canada/ Belgium today. Should be a very good game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Keirik said: I can’t believe how far Germany has fallen in recent years. They really are a team in transition. Honestly I was expecting them to play much better. The pieces are there, except a striker... Rudiger, Sule, Schlotterbeck, Muller, Musiala, Gundogan, Gnabry...it's a great side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Cash or Czech said: Honestly I was expecting them to play much better. The pieces are there, except a striker... Rudiger, Sule, Schlotterbeck, Muller, Musiala, Gundogan, Gnabry...it's a great side. They just don’t play that cohesive right now. Letting up one late girl is one thing, but two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I'm going to Munich in a couple weeks and I was hoping to watch a Germany game with a bunch of Germans. Guess not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 It’s waffles vs maple syrup! Here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 WTF Germany...picked them to win that group over Spain ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, Karan said: WTF Germany...picked them to win that group over Spain ugh. I did too, I do have Candy coming out of the group though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Cheers to Japan. Germany is in a tough spot. Spain-Costa Rica 7-0 Japan-Germany 2-1 For the statgeeks: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-world-cup-predictions/ Germany is now given a 33% chance to make the round of 16. Given, Germany still has 2 games left to rescue themselves. 2 wins and 6 points (win over Spain (!), win over Costa Rica) and things brighten considerably. As a pretournament favorite, still quite a surprising situation. Why we watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Damn, that’s a big pk miss by Canada there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Boom! 1-0 Belgique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Wow what a 1st half! Can’t believe it’s 1-0 belgium here. Canada was the best team by a good margin that half. Will we see another favorite lose after being up 0-1 after the 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 The battle of waffles versus syrup. A great match so far. Canada dominating but Belgium being resilient and striking against the run of play. I think we need a @Keirik special... Next Goal Wins 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Keirik said: I can’t believe how far Germany has fallen in recent years. They really are a team in transition. It happens, old generation is mostly out and no real replacements because everyone got complacent again, just like last time (in the 90s). There's a reason we have a 20-year cycle of winning that thing (with one small outlier): 54, 74, 90, 14 Don't bet on Germany till the 2034 World Cup Edited November 23, 2022 by H-Dreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: The battle of waffles versus syrup. A great match so far. Canada dominating but Belgium being resilient and striking against the run of play. I think we need a @Keirik special... Next Goal Wins Canada's gonna need Ted Lasso in the locker room to help them recover from that goal after completely dominating the first half and all the shots they accumulated. Nevertheless, team looks very well matched against one of the top ranked opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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