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2022 World Cup


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16 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

 

That's why I'm so confused. Because there were several players behind the ball including two players and the keeper at or behind the ball.

 

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It's not so easy to see, but you can see the yellow leg "under" the goalie. That foot is offside.

 

You can see the VAR pictures down on this page:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4807433/var-review-every-decision-at-the-world-cup-analysed

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9 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

It's not so easy to see, but you can see the yellow leg "under" the goalie. That foot is offside.

 

You can see the VAR pictures down on this page:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4807433/var-review-every-decision-at-the-world-cup-analysed

Correct call then according to the rules, but feels like it shouldn't be because there really isn't an advantage gained here.

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6 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said:

But also, if the goalie was the one who punched the ball, isn’t it nil? If the player got the touch then he’s offsides. 

Not easy to see, but the article says the Ecuador player touched it.

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However, when Torres got a touch on the ball (the direction it travels, forwards or backwards, is irrelevant) Estrada had one foot ahead of the second-last defensive player, who was Abdelkarim Hassan.

 

The review took longer than a regular offside check because the offside VAR, Tomasz Listkiewicz, had to be certain that the ball came off Torres. Without that, Estrada would not have been offside.

 

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The "clear and obvious" thing is mainly when it's a foul. Offsides is either or, even if it 1mm or 2m. I don't personally like it because the technology is still not good enough to know EXACTLY when a player hit the ball, so centimeters decisions is impossible to get 100% correct.

 

Argentina got a goal disallowed today as well when Martinez had his armpit in offside.

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I hate 0-0 draws.

 

In the fictional world I run FIFA (everyone should be glad that is a fiction!): since we can award 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss.

 

For a 0-0 draw, both teams would get 0 points.   

At the end of group, would go by normal W-T-L, goal differential, etc for tiebreakers.  

 

Hopefully this would encourage attacking play instead of getting 11 men behind the ball (full team defending), and satisfaction with a draw.

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5 hours ago, fletch said:

I hate 0-0 draws.

 

In the fictional world I run FIFA (everyone should be glad that is a fiction!): since we can award 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss.

 

For a 0-0 draw, both teams would get 0 points.   

At the end of group, would go by normal W-T-L, goal differential, etc for tiebreakers.  

 

Hopefully this would encourage attacking play instead of getting 11 men behind the ball (full team defending), and satisfaction with a draw.

God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. 

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5 minutes ago, Keirik said:

God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. 

Continuous OT baby. I’m with fletch ties are so boring. 

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2 hours ago, Keirik said:

God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. 

 

It's remarkable how often when the two favored teams in a group face off, how many times we end up seeing a 0-0 result for both teams.  The positive spin is this is tournament tactics - they figure with wins against the bottom-feeders, a draw keeps them safe to advance.  The cynic might read a bit more into the situation, especially given the Disgrace of Gijon.

 

https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-disgrace-of-gijon-was-a-match-so-awful-it-changed-football-forever/

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/world-cups-101-most-memorable-moments-the-disgrace-of-gijon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

 

The integrity of the sport is most threatened when both teams achieve a beneficial result without sincere competition to the detriment of other teams in the group.  I'm not suggesting there is conversation between teams before games.  But the athletes on the pitch are intelligent and know the desired results needed for each team.  By body language, amount of aggression, tactics, team structure, etc, it is pretty clear whether a team is playing for a draw or for a win.

 

And having struggled through Denmark-Tunisia 0-0 and Mexico-Poland 0-0 today, flashes of brilliance, saved penalty shot, but lots of tedium while both teams played very conservatively.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

 

'Almost 25 years after the World Cup in Spain, former German player Hans-Peter Briegel acknowledged that his team arranged a victory over Austria (1–0) in the first phase, which classified the two teams and eliminated the African team. In an interview for the newspaper 'Al Ittihad', from the United Arab Emirates, Briegel confirmed what everyone suspected since that June 25, 1982 at the El Molinón stadium. "Yes, I apologize for that," said the 51-year-old former Kaiserslautern defender.'

 

https://www.eurosport.com/football/international-news/2006-2007/briegel-makes-confession_sto1050391/story.shtml

 

"We made the decision between all of us with them to not make too much of an effort in the game against Austria," Briegel, now coach of Bahrain, is quoted as saying.

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