Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Saudi Arabia score two early in the 2nd to go up 2-1 against Argentina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: That's why I'm so confused. Because there were several players behind the ball including two players and the keeper at or behind the ball. Tough to say with that angle tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) accidental double-post, please remove Edited November 22, 2022 by H-Dreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Keirik said: 1st half they dominated yet only had 1 shot. Hugely missed opportunity. Why wasn't Reyna playing ?????? So strange. Reyna had an injury during training apparently, but will feature against England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Saudi Arabia score two early in the 2nd to go up 2-1 against Argentina Biggest upset since…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Wow, Argentina lost. Mexico and Poland the other two teams in that group, they could be in trouble here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Just now, Cash or Czech said: Biggest upset since…? Since Norway beat Brazil 2-1 in '98 WC group stage to help us advance to the round of 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: That's why I'm so confused. Because there were several players behind the ball including two players and the keeper at or behind the ball. It's not so easy to see, but you can see the yellow leg "under" the goalie. That foot is offside. You can see the VAR pictures down on this page: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4807433/var-review-every-decision-at-the-world-cup-analysed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: It's not so easy to see, but you can see the yellow leg "under" the goalie. That foot is offside. You can see the VAR pictures down on this page: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4807433/var-review-every-decision-at-the-world-cup-analysed Correct call then according to the rules, but feels like it shouldn't be because there really isn't an advantage gained here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 But also, if the goalie was the one who punched the ball, isn’t it nil? If the player got the touch then he’s offsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Not necessarily, if he's judged offsides on the initial pass/shot it doesn't really matter who touches first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: But also, if the goalie was the one who punched the ball, isn’t it nil? If the player got the touch then he’s offsides. Not easy to see, but the article says the Ecuador player touched it. Quote However, when Torres got a touch on the ball (the direction it travels, forwards or backwards, is irrelevant) Estrada had one foot ahead of the second-last defensive player, who was Abdelkarim Hassan. The review took longer than a regular offside check because the offside VAR, Tomasz Listkiewicz, had to be certain that the ball came off Torres. Without that, Estrada would not have been offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 It’s such a tight call, I can’t believe VAR thought it was a clear and obvious error. Especially with all the shit going on, it definitely felt like they were trying to rig it somewhat in Qatar’s favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 The "clear and obvious" thing is mainly when it's a foul. Offsides is either or, even if it 1mm or 2m. I don't personally like it because the technology is still not good enough to know EXACTLY when a player hit the ball, so centimeters decisions is impossible to get 100% correct. Argentina got a goal disallowed today as well when Martinez had his armpit in offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 Tunisia playing really well so far, strong on the counter. Denmark needs to wake up, I think they anticipated an easier game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: Reyna had an injury during training apparently, but will feature against England Yeah but Reyna himself diluted that so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I hate 0-0 draws. In the fictional world I run FIFA (everyone should be glad that is a fiction!): since we can award 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. For a 0-0 draw, both teams would get 0 points. At the end of group, would go by normal W-T-L, goal differential, etc for tiebreakers. Hopefully this would encourage attacking play instead of getting 11 men behind the ball (full team defending), and satisfaction with a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 The Denmark v Tunisia game was actually pretty exciting with lots of chances both ways. Shame it ended 0-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 hours ago, fletch said: I hate 0-0 draws. In the fictional world I run FIFA (everyone should be glad that is a fiction!): since we can award 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. For a 0-0 draw, both teams would get 0 points. At the end of group, would go by normal W-T-L, goal differential, etc for tiebreakers. Hopefully this would encourage attacking play instead of getting 11 men behind the ball (full team defending), and satisfaction with a draw. God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Keirik said: God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. Continuous OT baby. I’m with fletch ties are so boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, siddious said: Continuous OT baby. I’m with fletch ties are so boring. Blah. Americans. Sorry about your Poland today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, Keirik said: Blah. Americans. Sorry about your Poland today It’s cool they’re still winning it l. Going undefeated from here on out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Keirik said: God no. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with draws. Never understand this concept that a team HAS to win at all costs where you compromise the integrity of a sport by deciding games in a forced way. It's remarkable how often when the two favored teams in a group face off, how many times we end up seeing a 0-0 result for both teams. The positive spin is this is tournament tactics - they figure with wins against the bottom-feeders, a draw keeps them safe to advance. The cynic might read a bit more into the situation, especially given the Disgrace of Gijon. https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-disgrace-of-gijon-was-a-match-so-awful-it-changed-football-forever/ https://www.foxsports.com/stories/soccer/world-cups-101-most-memorable-moments-the-disgrace-of-gijon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón The integrity of the sport is most threatened when both teams achieve a beneficial result without sincere competition to the detriment of other teams in the group. I'm not suggesting there is conversation between teams before games. But the athletes on the pitch are intelligent and know the desired results needed for each team. By body language, amount of aggression, tactics, team structure, etc, it is pretty clear whether a team is playing for a draw or for a win. And having struggled through Denmark-Tunisia 0-0 and Mexico-Poland 0-0 today, flashes of brilliance, saved penalty shot, but lots of tedium while both teams played very conservatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, siddious said: Continuous OT baby. I’m with fletch ties are so boring. 2-2, 3-3, etc can be riveting. I'm specifically commenting on nil-nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón 'Almost 25 years after the World Cup in Spain, former German player Hans-Peter Briegel acknowledged that his team arranged a victory over Austria (1–0) in the first phase, which classified the two teams and eliminated the African team. In an interview for the newspaper 'Al Ittihad', from the United Arab Emirates, Briegel confirmed what everyone suspected since that June 25, 1982 at the El Molinón stadium. "Yes, I apologize for that," said the 51-year-old former Kaiserslautern defender.' https://www.eurosport.com/football/international-news/2006-2007/briegel-makes-confession_sto1050391/story.shtml "We made the decision between all of us with them to not make too much of an effort in the game against Austria," Briegel, now coach of Bahrain, is quoted as saying. Edited November 23, 2022 by fletch typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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