Trochek Is Surprisingly Much Different Than Strome Was

[CBrowningPI]

10 minutes ago, CCCP said:

was it on the 16th?

They were both born on July 11, 1993

[Pete]

Inb4 "Trochek's birthing process is a level above Strome."

[Keirik]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

 

Maybe, yeah. Maybe not. I think the team fully recognize they're in a window to win now and they're gonna go for it. I seriously doubt they've given a ton of thought into gameplanning what happens three, four, or five years from now. But if you're looking for a potential exit ramp, it's likely somewhere between 2027 and 2028. Trocheck's signing bonuses are cut in half to $1.5 million for 2027–28 and $1.0 million for 2028–29. Base salary of $3 million in both years, so figure trade deadline of 2027–28?

I think the Rangers have done a decent job at staggering contracts so that they don't all fall in the same timeframe. There's a pretty decent tier system. It was one of Gorton's better attributes as a GM and I think Drury learned to follow suit. Some overpayments for sure but at least  they stagger when money is available so that you aren't forced to make every decision at the same time. 

[Cash or Czech]

Trocheck even has more letters in his last name. Better at truly everything.

[Keirik]

For those looking for a stat breakdown on the two. Extremely close.

 

Regular Season

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game				Point Shares			Adjusted
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S	OPS	DPS	PS	G	A	PTS
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2013	2023	10	630	131	231	362	37	380	103	26	2	19	1225	10.7	10360	0.21	0.37	0.57	1.94	22.7	12.4	35.1	153	292	445
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2013	2023	10	565	154	233	387	-10	376	107	40	7	19	1449	10.6	10518	0.27	0.41	0.68	2.56	27.1	11.5	38.7	200	292	492

 

 

 

 Playoffs

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2014	2022	4	37	5	14	19	-1	21	4	1	0	3	80	6.3	635	0.14	0.38	0.51	2.16
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2015	2022	4	33	8	8	16	11	18	5	2	1	0	73	11.0	628	0.24	0.24	0.48	2.21

 

 

https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=stromry01&player_id1=trochvi01&sum=0&request=1

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, Keirik said:

For those looking for a stat breakdown on the two. Extremely close.

 

Regular Season

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game				Point Shares			Adjusted
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S	OPS	DPS	PS	G	A	PTS
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2013	2023	10	630	131	231	362	37	380	103	26	2	19	1225	10.7	10360	0.21	0.37	0.57	1.94	22.7	12.4	35.1	153	292	445
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2013	2023	10	565	154	233	387	-10	376	107	40	7	19	1449	10.6	10518	0.27	0.41	0.68	2.56	27.1	11.5	38.7	200	292	492

 

 

 

 Playoffs

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2014	2022	4	37	5	14	19	-1	21	4	1	0	3	80	6.3	635	0.14	0.38	0.51	2.16
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2015	2022	4	33	8	8	16	11	18	5	2	1	0	73	11.0	628	0.24	0.24	0.48	2.21

 

 

https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=stromry01&player_id1=trochvi01&sum=0&request=1

Lesson learned, pretty close all things considered. 

[Jdog99]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Trochek took 168 shots last year and missed the net 86 times, 3rd on the team.

 

Strome took 161 shots and missed the net 51 times.

 

It's all in your head, mate, and you're using one moment to define someone's entire tenure o the team. "plays with more confidence", again, how is anyone quantifying that?

 

we'll have to wait and see how the stats play out this season, but i've seen trochek knife through defenses a bit with the kind of authority i rarely recall seeing from strome. and he's buried scoring chances in a way i rarely recall seeing Strome do.

 

"plays with more confidence" : i mean we're making those kind of judgements all the time. Kakko, for instance, I think is obviously playing with more confidence this season. Panarin is skating and carrying the puck with a lot more confidence it seems as well.

 

I suppose you can look at various advanced stats to back it up, which admittedly is outside my wheelhouse.

 

 

[CBrowningPI]

This season: HITS:  Trocheck 29 Strome 7

                      SHOTS: Trocheck 41 Strome 11

                       Faceoffs:  Trocheck 56% Strome 50%

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by CBrowningPI

[Albatrosss]

1 hour ago, Keirik said:

For those looking for a stat breakdown on the two. Extremely close.

 

Regular Season

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game				Point Shares			Adjusted
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S	OPS	DPS	PS	G	A	PTS
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2013	2023	10	630	131	231	362	37	380	103	26	2	19	1225	10.7	10360	0.21	0.37	0.57	1.94	22.7	12.4	35.1	153	292	445
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2013	2023	10	565	154	233	387	-10	376	107	40	7	19	1449	10.6	10518	0.27	0.41	0.68	2.56	27.1	11.5	38.7	200	292	492

 

 

 

 Playoffs

							Scoring					Goals							Per Game
Player	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TOI	G	A	PTS	S
Ryan Strome	TOT	C/RW	2014	2022	4	37	5	14	19	-1	21	4	1	0	3	80	6.3	635	0.14	0.38	0.51	2.16
Vincent Trocheck	TOT	C	2015	2022	4	33	8	8	16	11	18	5	2	1	0	73	11.0	628	0.24	0.24	0.48	2.21

 

 

https://stathead.com/hockey/pcomp_finder.cgi?player_id2=stromry01&player_id1=trochvi01&sum=0&request=1

trocheck's numbers arent padded by playing with Panarin yet.   To get a more accurate picture, we would need to look at the end of the season and compare Strome's year 1 with Panarin and Trocheck's year 1 with Panarin.  

[Keirik]

1 hour ago, CCCP said:

trocheck's numbers arent padded by playing with Panarin yet.   To get a more accurate picture, we would need to look at the end of the season and compare Strome's year 1 with Panarin and Trocheck's year 1 with Panarin.  

Maybe but Trocheck has played with some highly talented teams as well 

[The Dude]

He's growing on me. His shot selection often sucks and I'm nervous that he's going to get knocked on his ass pretty bad with his puck handling.  I'm not exactly sure he really clicks with Panarin either. That line is kinda whacky. 

 

But like others said, it's a different look and it was needed. I'll always have a soft spot for Strome. His career turn around was such a good story for a pretty good guy. 

 

 

[Albatrosss]

1 hour ago, Keirik said:

Maybe but Trocheck has played with some highly talented teams as well 

Yes but not as talented as Panarin 

[Sod16]

Strome:  Good guy, heartening to see his career turned around on our watch.

 

Trocheck:  Better overall player.

[Pete]

8 hours ago, CBrowningPI said:

This season: HITS:  Trocheck 29 Strome 7

                      SHOTS: Trocheck 41 Strome 11

                       Faceoffs:  Trocheck 56% Strome 50%

 

So what's your point? 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Pete

[Pete]

5 hours ago, Sod16 said:

Strome:  Good guy, heartening to see his career turned around on our watch.

 

Trocheck:  Better overall player.

Another arbitrary statement based on... Nothing. 

 

Also, it wasn't "our watch" considering "we' had nothing to do with his career turning around especially since most of "you" whined about him the whole time he was here and are now talking about a guy with pretty much the same stat line as a "clear upgrade". You can't make this shit up

[jsm7302]

9 hours ago, The Dude said:

He's growing on me. His shot selection often sucks and I'm nervous that he's going to get knocked on his ass pretty bad with his puck handling.  I'm not exactly sure he really clicks with Panarin either. That line is kinda whacky. 

 

But like others said, it's a different look and it was needed. I'll always have a soft spot for Strome. His career turn around was such a good story for a pretty good guy. 

 

 

Panarin is out of the gate like a bat out of hell (RIP Meat Loaf). I think Panarin and Trochek are pretty good for each other. I think all that can be said at this point is, we have gotten lucky that we threw money at a different center with our fingers crossed it would work just as well with our star and so far things look good. Let's rehash this thread in June.

[Jdog99]

7 hours ago, Pete said:

Another arbitrary statement based on... Nothing. 

 

 

Is there a particular objective result on the go forward you could agree would prove "Tro significantly > stromer"? What would that be?

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Jdog99 said:

 

Is there a particular objective result on the go forward you could agree would prove "Tro significantly > stromer"? What would that be?

Statistics? Not cherry picked ones?

 

Look, I'm in complete agreement that we signed a good player, one that filled the need.

 

I just don't see the need to crap on another player on his way out who did nothing but succeed after coming here for Ryan fucking Spooner. 

 

I don't know what the urge is to automatically grade one player as better than another after 10 games, but this thread is playing out much like I thought it would... The folks who were whining about Strome while he was doing nothing but producing are still whining about him.

 

But at least let's root the whining in facts and things we can measure... He's just better, he plays more confident, he wears his mustache better (okay, even I agree with that one) are almost nonsensical.

 

At the end of the day you're probably getting 60 to 65 points out of both players when they are healthy. Vinny gets his a different way, and it's in a way that the team needed.

 

But again, just because we fill the need doesn't mean we need to shit on guys on the way out who did way better here than many other acquisitions.  

Edited November 1, 2022 by Pete

[Jdog99]

14 minutes ago, Pete said:

Statistics? Not cherry picked ones?

 

 

Sure...name a stat or two...

 

Lets say Tro averages a ppg this season...would that be enough for you to admit "hes on another level" than stromer? Would any objective result over the next season or two sway you?

[Pete]

32 minutes ago, Jdog99 said:

 

Sure...name a stat or two...

 

Lets say Tro averages a ppg this season...would that be enough for you to admit "hes on another level" than stromer? Would any objective result over the next season or two sway you?

Well that's my point, why don't we wait for the season to be older than 10 games before declaring who's on another level?

 

Let's just acknowledge the difference in styles. Why are you so antsy to talk about who's better than who 10 games in? And basing it on no actual data? 

 

Also, way to chuck the entire post except for one sentence.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Pete

[Jdog99]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

Well that's my point, why don't we wait for the season to be older than 10 games before declaring who's on another level?

 

Let's just acknowledge the difference in styles. Why are you so antsy to talk about who's better than who 10 games in? And basing it on no actual data? 

 

Also, way to chuck the entire post except for one sentence.

 

Fair enough. But are you actually willing to put some sort of stake in the ground...anywhere you like...that we can revisit at seasons end to determine how the players compare?

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, Jdog99 said:

 

Fair enough. But are you actually willing to put some sort of stake in the ground...anywhere you like...that we can revisit at seasons end to determine how the players compare?

To what end? One player we have, the other player we don't. What are you trying to prove and why? 

 

[Jdog99]

Meant to quote below...

Edited November 1, 2022 by Jdog99

[Jdog99]

12 minutes ago, Pete said:

To what end? One player we have, the other player we don't. What are you trying to prove and why? 

 

I think Trochek is a much better player than Stromer...on 'another level'. Just wondering if there are any objective stats/results on the go forward that would prove that out in your eyes.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Jdog99 said:

I think Trochek is a much better player than Stromer...on 'another level'. Just wondering if there are any objective stats/results on the go forward that would prove that out in your eyes.

Well both players career stat lines are pretty similar, especially when you take into account the teams they both played on. So there is no evidence to support your claim.

 

And at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. If it makes you feel better to make that claim then go right ahead.