Keirik Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jdog99 said: Maybe not the perfect example, but i recall lots of buch doubters over the course of his first three seasons. And zib may have shown himself to be a competent middle 6 centerman, but certainly not in the same league as what he later became with nyr. But I’m not sure what that has to do with the point. Both guys were trending up statistic wise, regardless of what people on a message board said. The only thing Kakko has added to his Arsenal year three is the ability to be injured. year three for Ziby was 80 games 20g 26a year three for Buch was 64 games 21g 17a We would be over the moon right now if Kakko was anywhere near that. kakko 41 games 7g 9a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, Valriera said: I actually think the overarching point with Panarin is that it doesn't matter who his winger is, he's actually that good, and we need to just fit the economical guy there While I think Panarin doesn't exactly NEED anyone on his RW to produce..... having an actual GOOD player there cranks up the production to a much higher level and puts the team in that contender category. There's a big difference between his and the teams play with Copp on the right, Vs Hunt being there. Talent does even better when paired with talent. I don't think anyone saw this coming though. Most of us figured Copp was here to be the 3C. Some of us bitched quite a bit about him not playing C. Boy were we wrong. But, I do agree with those who say this is a one off. We won't see this roster again next season. They can only keep one and it's between Strome or Copp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 His ELC years were nothing short of disastrous. The fact that nobody could sniff out his deficiencies, and started that ELC clock the second they could was enough, for me, to shitcan Gorton, alone. He's now entering his arb years. Should he stink the joint up again, his trade value will functionally be negligible. So, tough decision in my books. What is this guy? A responsible 20/20 guy you can move up and down the lineup? A breakout candidate with 60+ points in top 6 duty? Marcel Hossa's convalescent looking doppelganger? Personally, I think he's useful, in a top 9 sense, but does that outweigh his trade return *today*? I dunno. Either way, woof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunny said: His ELC years were nothing short of disastrous. The fact that nobody could sniff out his deficiencies, and started that ELC clock the second they could was enough, for me, to shitcan Gorton, alone. He's now entering his arb years. Should he stink the joint up again, his trade value will functionally be negligible. So, tough decision in my books. What is this guy? A responsible 20/20 guy you can move up and down the lineup? A breakout candidate with 60+ points in top 6 duty? Marcel Hossa's convalescent looking doppelganger? Personally, I think he's useful, in a top 9 sense, but does that outweigh his trade return *today*? I dunno. Either way, woof. The other part of this too is just how little Kakko has contributed to one of our best regular seasons in team history. Is Kakko someone we ever will be depending on to take the reigns in terms of production ? Ziby, fox, kreider, Trouba, bread, et Al are here until 2024 or longer, Do we not also have other prospects in the pipeline that probably need chances or already here also that have shown more? (Cuylle, Alf, Othmann, Kravtsov if that gets straightened out, etc) Chytil falls into the same conversation. I don’t see a world where guys like Chytil and Kakko remain and the above mentioned guys get chances along the way. I know this kind of goes against the idea of keeping a Copp, but if he were willing to do a 3 year deal in the 5m range and it cost you a Chytil 2.3m + 2.5m Kakko, you actually open up one roster spot for the next entry level talent or lower cap hit that doesn’t have a large performance bonus potential too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunny said: His ELC years were nothing short of disastrous. The fact that nobody could sniff out his deficiencies, and started that ELC clock the second they could was enough, for me, to shitcan Gorton, alone. He's now entering his arb years. Should he stink the joint up again, his trade value will functionally be negligible. So, tough decision in my books. What is this guy? A responsible 20/20 guy you can move up and down the lineup? A breakout candidate with 60+ points in top 6 duty? Marcel Hossa's convalescent looking doppelganger? Personally, I think he's useful, in a top 9 sense, but does that outweigh his trade return *today*? I dunno. Either way, woof. He's the perfect candidate for a lowly team that is willing and able to offer just above what the Rangers can actually afford to pay him, while not even getting into that 1st rounder compensation threshold.. Then put him in a rebuild/retool and let him be the player he was drafted to be, which was an offensive minded guy that loves to have the puck on his stick and be a focal point on offense. Not a defensive specialist, which he has somehow become. He was a recent 2 OA and many don't understand how he got here and became what he is now. It's unfathomable that he is the player he is today. From what he was drafted as, to this. It doesn't happen. This kid should have either been an NHL sniper, or a lost cause who couldn't/ wouldn't play defense. Now he just plays defense and never got the chance to just be the scorer he was drafted as. We saw zero of that skill level put to use or let loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: He's the perfect candidate for a lowly team that is willing and able to offer just above what the Rangers can actually afford to pay him, while not even getting into that 1st rounder compensation threshold.. Then put him in a rebuild/retool and let him be the player he was drafted to be, which was an offensive minded guy that loves to have the puck on his stick and be a focal point on offense. Not a defensive specialist, which he has somehow become. He was a recent 2 OA and many don't understand how he got here and became what he is now. It's unfathomable that he is the player he is today. From what he was drafted as, to this. It doesn't happen. This kid should have either been an NHL sniper, or a lost cause who couldn't/ wouldn't play defense. Now he just plays defense and never got the chance to just be the scorer he was drafted as. We saw zero of that skill level put to use or let loose. He got Quinnified for too long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Bread is not that good after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 He has to be hurt. He was great when the Jackets swept Tampa. That said I'd still explore trying to trade him and then bring in Schiefle or PLD to center Laf and Kakko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: Bread is not that good after all Knew you’d be here, susprised it wasn’t the trade thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Including last night Panarin has played 39 career playoff games with 13 Goals and 22 Assists for 35 Points and is a minus 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Over half of his assists this year were on the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arty Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 He needs someone who digs Fast on his wing made a big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Bread’s new nickname should be Sourdough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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