RangersIn7 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Here's a question for ya while we are talking about Kakko. This offseason, whoever wins 1st overall. Do you offer them Kakko straight up for that pick? Think it would even be accepted? Not a chance No and no. Not even worth offering because it would get rejected before you could get the words out. Lafreniere is a higher class prospect than Hughes or Kakko was last year. More "can't miss". Nope. Although I do like the idea of the rangers packaging their two first rounders and moving up to the top 10 or ideally top 5 Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk No one trades picks that high. And they shouldn’t unless they’re absolutely fleecing a team. We couldn’t jump 2 spots with Vancouver from 7 to 5 in 2017. And for reasons mentioned, whoever gets the right to pick LaFreniere is taking him. He has generational talent label. Hughes and Kakko don’t quite have that. Though I would have no issue with the Rangers taking their 2 1sts and maybe a prospect to move into the top-10. It’s almost impossible to move into the top-5. It’s happened something like only 8 times since 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 No one trades picks that high. And they shouldn?t unless they?re absolutely fleecing a team. We couldn?t jump 2 spots with Vancouver from 7 to 5 in 2017. And for reasons mentioned, whoever gets the right to pick LaFreniere is taking him. He has generational talent label. Hughes and Kakko don?t quite have that. Though I would have no issue with the Rangers taking their 2 1sts and maybe a prospect to move into the top-10. It?s almost impossible to move into the top-5. It?s happened something like only 8 times since 2004. To be fair, 8 times in 16 years isnt really ?almost impossible?. That would mean it happens once every other year, so could easily happen this year. I see the point tho, and especially this year, I dont see anyone trading a top 5 pick. We will probably have two picks in the early 20?s. Its a deep draft with a lot of talent, I hope we just use both picks honestly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 To be fair, 8 times in 16 years isnt really ?almost impossible?. That would mean it happens once every other year, so could easily happen this year. I see the point tho, and especially this year, I dont see anyone trading a top 5 pick. We will probably have two picks in the early 20’s. Its a deep draft with a lot of talent, I hope we just use both picks honestly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk True that It might actually be less frequent than that. I have to double check the history on it. I do know for sure that in none of those 8 trades, no pick higher than 5 has moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 To be fair, 8 times in 16 years isnt really ?almost impossible?. That would mean it happens once every other year, so could easily happen this year. I see the point tho, and especially this year, I dont see anyone trading a top 5 pick. We will probably have two picks in the early 20’s. Its a deep draft with a lot of talent, I hope we just use both picks honestly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Double checked It is 8 trades since lockout. But into top-10. I misspoke. Only one top-5 pick has changed hands since lockout. 2008 Leafs traded 7, plus a 2nd and a 3rd to Isles for 5 and picked Schenn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Double checked It is 8 trades since lockout. But into top-10. I misspoke. Only one top-5 pick has changed hands since lockout. 2008 Leafs traded 7, plus a 2nd and a 3rd to Isles for 5 and picked Schenn. Isles picked Josh Bailey at 9 in 2008. I guess they traded away 7 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Isles picked Josh Bailey at 9 in 2008. I guess they traded away 7 as well. It was either a 3-way or separate deal with Nashville, now that you mentioned it, cause they took Colin Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfaq8QgUYAAhvLP?format=jpg&name=medium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Nope. Although I do like the idea of the rangers packaging their two first rounders and moving up to the top 10 or ideally top 5 Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. I think you need to throw in a prospect or a later pick too but that?s the general idea Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. Based on what I’ve read, I sincerely doubt it. A pick in the top 3-9 in this year’s draft is about as can’t miss as they come. They all project as bonafide 1st line talents. That’s what makes this draft class special. Are you really going to trade the opportunity to draft a Holtz, Rossi, Stutzle or Perfetti for what is, comparatively, two kicks at the can? I mean, there’s upside there if you hit both picks out of the park, but data suggests that is extremely unlikely. It would be a borderline irresponsible decision for a GM imo, and I think trading up to the top 10 this year is going to cost an arm and a leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Based on what I’ve read, I sincerely doubt it. A pick in the top 3-9 in this year’s draft is about as can’t miss as they come. They all project as bonafide 1st line talents. That’s what makes this draft class special. Are you really going to trade the opportunity to draft a Holtz, Rossi, Stutzle or Perfetti for what is, comparatively, two kicks at the can? I mean, there’s upside there if you hit both picks out of the park, but data suggests that is extremely unlikely. It would be a borderline irresponsible decision for a GM imo, and I think trading up to the top 10 this year is going to cost an arm and a leg. Possibly true. However, it's very rare to be offered two kicks at the can in the top 20 instead of one, even if you're trading down from the more "sure" spots. Could be moot. We could win the lottery again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Possibly true. However, it's very rare to be offered two kicks at the can in the top 20 instead of one, even if you're trading down from the more "sure" spots. Could be moot. We could win the lottery again. Could you imagine the bitching from the non-Rangers fans if this happened? "The fix is in!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Possibly true. However, it's very rare to be offered two kicks at the can in the top 20 instead of one, even if you're trading down from the more "sure" spots. Even with how strong the top 20 is, I doubt a team is going to pass up a chance on someone like Raymond, St?tzle, Perfetti, etc. in that spot. If the Rangers end up with two picks in the 11-20 range I'm content with picking guys like Holloway and Mysak. Get some more speed up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Could you imagine the bitching from the non-Rangers fans if this happened? "The fix is in!!" Couldn't care less. Give me any of those top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. I would bet no way but my heart says sure make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. Maybe Georgiev and #14 get us there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I legitimately wonder if 14 and 19 get you #5, just as an example. I dont think that comes close, even in the 2017 draft. 2019: 14 + 45 got 11 29 + 76 = 25 2018 26 + 48 = 22 2016 28 + 87 = 26 12 + 80 = 11 most teams are only moving up a few spots. The tiers are pretty rigid in this draft. 14 + 19 might get down to 9. But I dont see another team pulling the trigger until its pick time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Someone you are targeting, or just throwing out a random pick number for discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 NHL Salary Cap expected to raise to 84 million - 88.2 million. This is good news for Rangers! Boo-Yah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 maybe thats why the rangers signed kreider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 NHL Salary Cap expected to raise to 84 million - 88.2 million. This is good news for Rangers! Boo-Yah Hopefully it?s 88 Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 NHL Salary Cap expected to raise to 84 million - 88.2 million. This is good news for Rangers! Boo-Yah Hopefully it?s 88 Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 This could make a Lundqvist buyout all the more likely too, no? I'm sure it will go up again the following year also, making the hit even less damaging. If not, at he very least a Staal buyout maybe. I really don't want to watch another year of this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 It's pretty unavoidable, Sharpy. I really don't wanna see another buyout....especially in the last year of a deal. They're gonna need Hank next season anyway, because I have a feeling they're going to move Georgie on Draft day. I know, it's not the best case scenario, but Hank's not going anywhere until that contract is kaput! We have a lot more than Hank to worry about for next season's cap; We have Staal's last year Brendan Smith's last year Shatty's 6.43 million buyout Girardi's 1.1 million still add Hank's last year in there and it's a fucking mess. :doh: The best thing we did this season is unload Skjei's contract to make some room to possibly re-sign guys like Lemeiux, Strome, and Tony DeAngelo. I'm not certain as to what's up with Fast, but he's in that UFA class as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Yeah, it's going to be one more year of crappy finances before I feel they can really move forward with some big moves to take that next step. I just really don't want Lundqvist on the team anymore. His skills are deteriorating badly, his mind is just not with the team anymore and they only play him because they absolutely have to now. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way. Georgiev being a casualty of that bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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