siddious Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 It?s summer and we are all bored. Saw this on Instagram. We now have hindsight... go!
BrooksBurner Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Pick results excluded, no Cup = we lost. Ironically, our 3rd pick is far better than their 1st round pick, but shouldn't be factored in determining who won this trade.
Puck Head Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Pick results excluded, no Cup = we lost. Ironically, our 3rd pick is far better than their 1st round pick, but shouldn't be factored in determining who won this trade. I was just thinking that, (how our 3rd fared better). But as you said, you have to value the picks against their round, not what they became. With that being said, that was a lot of assets for Rick Nash...a player I genuinely like, but he was brought here to perform in the playoffs. Something he just didn't do.
josh Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Compared to Columbus, we won. We had multiple playoff runs with Nash being a big part. Anisimov topped out at mid 40 points after he was traded to Chicago and Dubinsky will a cap casualty. Rangers didn’t “lose” much.
Sod16 Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 The interesting thing about this trade is that it happened on July 20th. Since then, essentially all major trades occur within a week of the deadline or the draft. I'd say this trade turned out even. They got good use out of Dubinsky and Anisimov and we got good use out of Nash.
josh Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 I’d be curious to see if Jackets fans think they got a good return for their franchise player.
Parsley Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 I think the Rangers won, but Nash a year or two sooner would have really been a win for this franchise, especially the playoff run they had just before his acquisition.
The Dude Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Rangers win big time. They got a game changer and a now potential top six forward. Columbus wound up with a 40 point decent center and an overpaid role player. Add in what Josh said. The Rangers had a really nice run. Nash never lived up to expectations, but he didn't totally flop. I wouldn't undo that trade. This team wouldn't have achieved what they did with those players. They'd probably still have them and have them locked up in bad contracts.
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 You could argue Nash's contract hamstrung us from acquiring players who can perform in the playoffs...and we lost excellent assets to acquire him. It is a big loss with no Cup. No other way around it.
josh Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 They weren’t winning a cup with Dubinsky and Anisimov. And who did they miss out on? And Nash’s contract wasn’t the issue with Richards, Staal, Girardi, etc when they were winning the President’s trophy or going to the cup final.
Stephen Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Based on what Josh said, we won that trade. We got a top six forward and a draft pick in the 2013 draft. Can we make more trades such as this which might get us to the promise land that is the Stanley cup?
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 They weren’t winning a cup with Dubinsky and Anisimov. And who did they miss out on? And Nash’s contract wasn’t the issue with Richards, Staal, Girardi, etc when they were winning the President’s trophy or going to the cup final. Most likely you are right re: no Cup with those guys versus Nash, but you really do not know that. What we do know for sure is they did not win one with Nash when they were already a Cup contender before acquiring him, and in the process they lost two center trade chips and a 1st round pick along with 8 mill in cap space. I'm sure there are plenty of other options that would have been available either by trade or by signing with that cap space. Dubinsky is the exact kind of player everyone talks about this team needing by the way. Someone who plays a hard nosed game, defends teammates, and doesn't completely suck offensively...and they traded him for someone who was softer than Charmin and failed to perform in the playoffs when they needed him most.
Fatfrancesa Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 I’d be curious to see if Jackets fans think they got a good return for their franchise player. Their franchise player was never that here.
josh Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Most likely you are right re: no Cup with those guys versus Nash, but you really do not know that. What we do know for sure is they did not win one with Nash when they were already a Cup contender before acquiring him, and in the process they lost two center trade chips and a 1st round pick along with 8 mill in cap space. I'm sure there are plenty of other options that would have been available either by trade or by signing with that cap space. Dubinsky is the exact kind of player everyone talks about this team needing by the way. Someone who plays a hard nosed game, defends teammates, and doesn't completely suck offensively...and they traded him for someone who was softer than Charmin and failed to perform in the playoffs when they needed him most. Anisimov hit his ceiling way too early. He never took the next step in NY, or after he left. Also had Richards and Stepan in the top 2 slots. Dubinsky was an overpaid 4th line penalty killer when traded. The team also had Callahan, Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Newbury, Rupp, Asham, Haley, Bickel, and Mashinter At that time, Rangers make this trade every day of the week. Looking back, they still would.
josh Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Their franchise player was never that here. Wasn’t suppose to be. We had Richards and gaborik. He was brought in to compliment. At the time, the Talk wasn’t nash couldn’t carry a team, and he’d be a big contributor behind them.
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Anisimov hit his ceiling way too early. He never took the next step in NY, or after he left. Also had Richards and Stepan in the top 2 slots. Dubinsky was an overpaid 4th line penalty killer when traded. The team also had Callahan, Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Newbury, Rupp, Asham, Haley, Bickel, and Mashinter At that time, Rangers make this trade every day of the week. Looking back, they still would. At the time it was a trade they had to make. The team needed a high end scorer and that is what they went for....nothing wrong with that. But in retrospect, it failed. A Cup contending team brought him in and still did not win a Cup. He did not put them over the top. They went for it and lost. Same thing with the Yandle and MSL trades. No Cup = failure...but nobody is going to blame the Rangers for going for it.
josh Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 I think the Rangers won the trade Now, if this was a Nash: Success, Bust or in-between poll, I’m not voting success.
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 I think the Rangers won the trade Now, if this was a Nash: Success, Bust or in-between poll, I’m not voting success. Fair enough
Phil Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Rangers won by a country mile. They got the superior player who, by and large, produced in big numbers. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Puck Head Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Wasn?t suppose to be. We had Richards and gaborik. He was brought in to compliment. At the time, the Talk wasn?t nash couldn?t carry a team, and he?d be a big contributor behind them. That?s not true at all. The talk was we were getting one of the top wings in the league. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Fatfrancesa Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 And a franchise player as josh noted two posts prior
josh Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 In Columbus, where he was. Not in NY, as he wasn’t, and wasn’t expected to be, as I said. :palm:
Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 The talk was he'd finally have help... Turns out he needed much more help
Fatfrancesa Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Expectations by whom? He absolutely was brought here to be a game changer. To be a singular offensive player the rangers didn’t have. To drive the play and score meaningful goals come spring time. He was a franchise player in Columbus you say. He was paid as such. Expectations of him did not drop when he was traded. He wasn’t expected to be a franchise player in Columbus and something less here. Yes the rangers could surround him with better players but never was he taking a back seat in importance.
The Dude Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 They weren’t winning a cup with Dubinsky and Anisimov. And who did they miss out on? And Nash’s contract wasn’t the issue with Richards, Staal, Girardi, etc when they were winning the President’s trophy or going to the cup final. Exactly. Are people still butt hurt about the loss of Dubinsky? Come onnnnnnnn. They keep those two, they don't do anything. Nash wasn't some gigantic overpaid player. Girardi, Staal, Lundqvist, Richards in his final year here were bigger burdens than Nashs contract. For crying out loud, Dubinsky is making 5.8 million and has done donkey dick compared to what Nash helped this team accomplish. No doubt the Rangers win that trade. I do that deal 10 out of 10 times.
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