Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 No. I think some guys are just pussies at doing it. Point being that it?s absurd to think that guys aren?t defending their teammates because they are worried about repercussions from the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 No. I think some guys are just pussies at doing it. I agree, the Rangers were way too easy to play against, in too many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Point being that it’s absurd to think that guys aren’t defending their teammates because they are worried about repercussions from the coach. I dont see why that would be so hard to believe. I dont know or claim to know if that is what happened re: AV, but I could certainly understand the idea that some coaches may preach a turn the other cheek philosophy when it comes to potentially taking retaliatory penalties. Far from absurd IMO. I just think the team makeup has not consisted of many guys willing to drop the gloves in defense of teammates, regardless of who the coach was. I dont know how many times I saw just a ridiculous hit (dirty ones) that came with no answer...ones that would happen right in front of Rangers players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Do you honestly think players need to be told when or when not to defend their teammates? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I dont see why that would be so hard to believe. I dont know or claim to know if that is what happened re: AV, but I could certainly understand the idea that some coaches may preach a turn the other cheek philosophy when it comes to potentially taking retaliatory penalties. Far from absurd IMO. I just think the team makeup has not consisted of many guys willing to drop the gloves in defense of teammates, regardless of who the coach was. I dont know how many times I saw just a ridiculous hit (dirty ones) that came with no answer...ones that would happen right in front of Rangers players. When your goalie gets run over like Lundqvist did in Dallas, the last thing on any players mind should be worrying about the coach. That sort of play goes beyond philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 So for Vodka, what I am saying is much more nuanced. AV created a culture where players were made so aware of not taking retaliation penalties, that over the years hesitancy creeped in. That is part of how a hit like Eakin's goes unanswered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 When your goalie gets run over like Lundqvist did in Dallas, the last thing on any players mind should be worrying about the coach. That sort of play goes beyond philosophy. Damn right, on any team I played on or witnessed. So what is your explanation then? Most of the Rangers are professional pussies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 When your goalie gets run over like Lundqvist did in Dallas, the last thing on any players mind should be worrying about the coach. That sort of play goes beyond philosophy. Can we agree and still appreciate that you (people) don't typically go against their bosses repeated instructions. Do you instinctively defy your boss's policies and long-standing instruction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 AV's explanation was shock. Gee that type of hit does not happen anymore. Except when one listens to the player safety board running out suspensions every week for high hits, intent to injure, slew-foots, sticks to the head, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Agree with MC51 and Vodka way more about the players not having balls. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Damn right, on any team I played on or witnessed. So what is your explanation then? Most of the Rangers are professional pussies? Basically, they are soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Can we agree and still appreciate that you (people) don't typically go against their bosses repeated instructions. Do you instinctively defy your boss's policies and long-standing instruction? Apples to oranges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 So for Vodka, what I am saying is much more nuanced. AV created a culture where players were made so aware of not taking retaliation penalties, that over the years hesitancy creeped in. That is part of how a hit like Eakin's goes unanswered. that's BS. "the culture" was there even before AV ever got here. Remember how Girardi did not stick up for Gabby when he was beaten up by Carsillo? torts was coaching then. stop blaming AV for every little thing you, as a fan, didn't like about the team. its getting ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 that's BS. "the culture" was there even before AV ever got here. Remember how Girardi did not stick up for Gabby when he was beaten up by Carsillo? torts was coaching then. stop blaming AV for every little thing you, as a fan, didn't like about the team. its getting ridiculous Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 that's BS. "the culture" was there even before AV ever got here. Remember how Girardi did not stick up for Gabby when he was beaten up by Carsillo? torts was coaching then. stop blaming AV for every little thing you, as a fan, didn't like about the team. its getting ridiculous This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 that's BS. "the culture" was there even before AV ever got here. Remember how Girardi did not stick up for Gabby when he was beaten up by Carsillo? torts was coaching then. stop blaming AV for every little thing you, as a fan, didn't like about the team. its getting ridiculous This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I found an interesting stat regarding physicality. During the 15-16 season when Dylan McIlrath was playing. When he had 3 or more hits in a game their record was 12-6. In games where he had 1 or 0 hits their record was 1-10. That's how important it is to play a hard hitting game. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 We've officially hit an all time low, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 I found an interesting stat regarding physicality. During the 15-16 season when Dylan McIlrath was playing. When he had 3 or more hits in a game their record was 12-6. In games where he had 1 or 0 hits their record was 1-10. That's how important it is to play a hard hitting game. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk This screams of Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. I'd need a lot more corroborating evidence to buy this correlation (that hits equal wins) at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 http://www.hockey-reference.com Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 This screams of Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. I'd need a lot more corroborating evidence to buy this correlation (that hits equal wins) at face value.Here's a random stat. JT Miller in 2017 playoffs. 2 and above hits per game 5-2 ( the 2 were OTL) . 1 hit games 1-4. All I'm saying is that these stats are interesting. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 No, you implied they're "that important" to the game in direct reference to wins and losses. Again, I'm going to need to see a lot more evidence than this to buy that argument. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Here's a random stat. JT Miller in 2017 playoffs. 2 and above hits per game 5-2 ( the 2 were OTL) . 1 hit games 1-4. All I'm saying is that these stats are interesting. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I think that shows players were involved and willing. Something we didn’t see this past my season, for whatever reason. I think we are all looking forward to seeing players that appear to be more involved with the player, and show a bit more effort every shift. Part of that will be physical play, and may involve dropping the gloves, but we need the guys that are willing and able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 No, you implied they're "that important" to the game in direct reference to wins and losses. Again, I'm going to need to see a lot more evidence than this to buy that argument. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkThe "that important" I should have stated is my personal opinion and is not necessarily reality. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Fair enough. I love physical hockey, for the record. I just don't buy that hitting, specifically, has been the missing ingredient. That, to me, was what your post appeared to be suggesting. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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