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Who Do You NOT Want at 9?


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Well, he would be fine.

But in all likelihood you’re looking at a pick from Kotkaniemi and 1 or 2 of the top d prospects, depending on whether Wahlstrom is still on the board.

Kotkaniemi is my last pick regardless of what happens in front of us.

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That’s a valid point.

But I’m not leaving a Dobson, Bouchard, Wahlstrom or Boqvist on the board to pick Kotkaniemi.

I think there are BPA arguments for each of them, and that’s before considering our reasonable depth of c prospects.

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A defenseman.

 

Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

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Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

 

Bugg, isn't BPA the best idea? What if Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Kot are gone?

 

Drafting for perceived need on a team that needs top talent over anything, is a mistake. Especially when experts are now almost unanimous that there is a drop around pick 11. Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes are far from JAGs, all projected top-pair. Any would vault to become our highest upside Dman. If the forwards are gone, two of them will be there to choose from. Plus Ty Smith is right behind this group and very promising. You'd rather reach for a lesser or riskier forward?

 

There is a theory that we reached for Lias over other higher upside prospects because he was viewed as more ready than those others. Again "need" drafting instead of BPA and it may have been a mistake based on how those prospects continue to impress. Many said it at the time and a redraft today would bear that out.

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No doubt, he's a very interesting prospect! I'd love to trade up to grab Kratsov or Smith if either makes it to 15. Respect your opinion, but we shouldn't pass on a choice of 2 of the 4 dmen. Obviously, adamantly against trading back from 9 or any trade back really. For those who suggest it... we have plenty of picks.
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Bugg, isn't BPA the best idea? What if Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Kot are gone?

 

Drafting for perceived need on a team that needs top talent over anything, is a mistake. Especially when experts are now almost unanimous that there is a drop around pick 11. Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes are far from JAGs, all projected top-pair. Any would vault to become our highest upside Dman. If the forwards are gone, two of them will be there to choose from. Plus Ty Smith is right behind this group and very promising. You'd rather reach for a lesser or riskier forward?

 

There is a theory that we reached for Lias over other higher upside prospects because he was viewed as more ready than those others. Again "need" drafting instead of BPA and it may have been a mistake based on how those prospects continue to impress. Many said it at the time and a redraft today would bear that out.

 

If there's a no brainer big time offensive D, fine. But There are only going to be 7 D on the roster at any given time, and only 4 of them getting the bulk of minutes. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk are going to lock down 3 of those slots, Smith or Staal (figure 1 or the other is gone) will be the 4, DeAngelo and 3 young guys will get a shot. Shattenkirk is the old man (assuming Staal is gone) at 28 with a long term contract. How much really is a young D going to play in the next 3 years?

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The D?s available to us at 9 are basically no brainers.

The only one with a small question mark for me is Boqvist, but he comes with a massive upside.

 

The wild card is whether Wahlstrom is there or not.

 

It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

 

Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.

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Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

 

Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

 

Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.

Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.

We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

 

Is this what we're looking at next year?

 

1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich

2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

 

That's not much of a future yet.

 

Who else?

Ty Ronning? Howden?

 

While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.

I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

 

This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.

Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

 

P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General

 

It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

 

Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.

 

That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.

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Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

 

Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.

Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.

We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

 

Is this what we're looking at next year?

 

1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich

2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

 

That's not much of a future yet.

 

Who else?

Ty Ronning? Howden?

 

While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.

I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

 

This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.

Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

 

P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General

 

 

 

That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.

 

Meant Skjei, forgot about Rykov. But it kind of looks like enough defense and still not enough scoring up front. If there is a can't miss scoring defense, sure. But we need to develop our own scoring rather than trade for it as NYR have during this pas run.

 

JAG was Bill Parcells' description of an average player, roster filler, replacement value , Just Another Guy.

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