BrooksBurner

Anything under $12m a year is house money? Any contract that size better be a slam dunk if it isn’t it has potential to be a team killer. Gorton is doing a great job setting this team up for years. With all these moves it does the exact opposite for me. Panarin is not the only option to get where the rangers want to go. Panarin is not a franchise player in my opinion. He’s not Ovechkin, Kane, or jagr. Even those guys were unable to win anything without having a big time center who was close in status. The rangers will still be looking for that guy with little cap space to get him if they sign panarin. Kakko could be, probably wil be a top wing. The rangers should spend that money on a center or another top defenseman. If not now then wait.

What I meant by house money is that a contract less than 12m won't get you a player of Panarin's caliber within a few short years, unless there are significant changes to the cap. The concern on paying Panarin isn't really the first few years, but more about the backend of the contract. At that point, the dollar amount won't be high relative to what others in his tier or even below his tier are getting.

I'll take Panarin at 12 million over Kreider at 7.5 and Duchene at 10.

Do you guys read, at all lol?

Yes. You said you'd rather have Panarin than Kreider and then didn't list either of them. So I figured you gave the money elsewhere. ;)

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-sides-rangers-jets-jacob-trouba-trade/

Lol the charts they shared for Trouba and Pionk are the same. Just flipped upside down in the wrong direction for Pionk.

Is that why you left Kreider off your depth chart?

I just assumed since he didn't list defensemen, he had given the money to Stanley Cup winner Michael Del Zotto to bolster the left side with winning experience.

How does he have a "list" as an RFA?

A list of teams he will consider signing long term before becoming a UFA next summer. A team would be much less inclined to pay the price to acquire him if he isn't even interested in anything past a year.

Honestly, based on the Eberle deal....I don't know if I want to move Kreider anymore. If he signs for what Eberle got, we should undeniably keep him. If he wants a hair more, that's OK too. All about the cap hit for me.

I'm thinking the same. I've been figuring this whole time that he will command close to 7. If it's closer to 5.5 then it's a no brainer.

Do you use "Whats New?" for accessing new posts? Recently, I've had numerous posts in one thread, randomly show up in another thread I KNOW I didnt click on.

Nah. I just saw Trouba in the title and clicked in my excitement.

I'm kind of sad we can't play Josh' "count the seconds to find Pionk after glaring defensive zone meltdown leading to goal" game anymore.

We can. We just have to stay up late watching Jets games now.

They have to. He has no role and no means of building his value from this point.

Maybe they aren't committed to DeAngelo. If they aren't, why can't Shattenkirk play on the 3rd pairing with some time on the PP for a year? If he plays well in that role, someone might want him at a reduced cost. Otherwise, they can buy him out at that point for far cheaper.

No extension in place.

 

This is the kind of bold shit Gorton is becoming known for. It's a gamble but it could pay off enormously.

Meh. I feel pretty confident it won't be that hard to get him to sign an extension.

How does the asking price go from Buchnevich/Lundkvist/1st round pick to Pionk/1st round pick?

Brooks doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

So they paid less for Trouba then WPG paid for 2 months for Hayes?

That is unbelievable. What a deal by Gorton.

Define "good," because if you're about to argue that him becoming a 30-point third-line center who is dependable but unspectacular in all three zones is "good," I'm not eating anything.

Fair ask. I think we drafted him at 7 with the hope he would turn into a good top 6 forward offensively, but mostly with the expectation he would really be that 2 way type of player like Stepan was. Leadership qualities were also touted IIRC. Let's say good is a strong two way game at the same production clip that Stepan exhibited.

Could happen

 

They need to exercise patience with him before they give up or trade him or whatever.

 

I don’t think he’s ever a star.

 

In looking at him, I think he winds up being like what Manny Malhotra was one day. 12-15 goals, 35ish points. Solid two ways. Win faceoffs. Kill penalties. Play a defensive role vs top offensive players.

That’s not a bad player to have. But being drafted at 7 overall, If that’s what he is, then he would likely be considered by most as disappointment. But possible he exceeds that.

 

Still too early to tell.

He has more talent than he is given credit for.

I don’t think it’s archaic to say he should play where he wants to. And that if the biggest reason he’d go back to Ottawa was because of his wife, it might be the wrong reason

Depends on the marriage and the situation. This isn't the same as a middle class family that has to move out of necessity for work to be a provider. Looking at it through the scope of a beyond rich athlete, if it's a legitimate marriage where he loves his wife more than himself, it's a no brainer to honor her wishes in this case. "I want to play there" is not good enough. If it were, he should divorce her and find someone else.

I agree

Though I think Karlsson stays in San Jose and takes the massive deal he has on the table from them, if that is in fact the case. He’d be foolish to turn down all that money from them. No one else comes close to that amount for him. And his homesick wife can go fuck herself. Who wouldn’t want to live out there? One of the best places in the world to live if you’re young, rich and famous. And she’s pining for Ottawa?

 

The more you hear about her and her behavior, the more I think that shit with her and Hoffman’s wife was bullshit or Karlsson’s wife was the main party responsible for that whole mess

Lol there's nothing wrong with wanting to be close to family and home. That's nonsense.

"BPA" doesnt really exist at 20.

BPA at 2 this season, sure. It's obvious. at 20 - no.

Agreed. After 2, about 3-12 blurs into a high end talent tier. Then 13-26 seems to me the next rough talent tier. In that group, BPA becomes hardly distinguishable shades of grey and you might as well go after strengths and features that you want.

If this were the case, there wouldn't be trades in that pick range. Teams seem to feel differently. The Rangers traded from 26 to 22 last year for Miller didn't they? They thought he was BPA.