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I still think its Hughes. But if he slips to 2, great.

Theres a reason why all of Hughes' linemates have been/will be drafted in the top 15. And the #1 reason is their center. Best skater, best puck handler, best passer in the draft.

Yup. The guy is electric and will excel in today's NHL.

The only player making over $12m us mcdavid. There are no other choices. Panarin at $12m will be overpaid in year 1 no less year 6 and 7. That’s the problem for me. The risk makes no sense.

 

Anyway I’ve beat a dead horse here. I guess I’m the only one who feels that way. I’ll move on

Yeah. That's because all the players that would be worth 12+M this offseason are already under contract. You don't think if Crosby, Kane, etc. were on the open market that they would get that? Just McDavid is worth 12M? Not to mention McDavid signed it 2 years ago. 12.5M then is probably now 14-15M if they were doing the contract over today.

The risk makes plenty of sense. I'm not even sure where this 12M number came from. 11M may very well be enough.

My point of bringing up Mcdavid has nothing to do with him. I brought it up because he is the only player in the entire league with a contract at $12m or more. That?s it. Would it matter if I left his name out of it? Ok but my point has nothing to do with Mcdavid. So from now on we can just say player x. Take that for whatever you want. I understand what it is going to cost and why it?s goibg to cost to get panarin. Perspective matters. Talking about overpaying players matters. Of course there are reasons why a player gets overpaid. A main one is when a player is a ufa and multiple teams want that player and bid up the price. I get it. Having good reason to overpay doesn?t take away from the fact the player is overpaid in the end.

Only Conner Mcdavid will have a higher cap hit. Seems reasonable

I'm just going off of what you wrote here. Seems to me your point of bringing up McDavid was to draw a comparison between Panarin and McDavid at X amount of dollars in order to invalidate Panarin's value, while ignoring every other variable that comes into play when discussing how much a player gets paid. Particularly when a contract is signed, current cap, and what leverage the player has in negotiations. You're right. Perspective does matter.

I'd rather "overpay" an elite player by 1-2M annually than a 2nd line player.

I understand how it works. Tavares didn?t get $12 and he?s a center and is a better player. Regardless my point was simple when discussing over paying someone. Panarin will be either 1 or 2 in terms of cap hit among all players if the rangers sign him to the contract talked about here. That was my only point before it was dissected into some other meaning. 1 player in the league has a contract like what?s being talked about. $12m will still be a lot two years from now and seven years from now.

 

And you?re right contracts go up. So why doesn?t that equate when talking kreider? Because it doesn?t fit the narrative that?s being pushed. Oh and by the way Brock Nelson is a ufa. He scored 25 goals and had 50 points last year. He is free to chase the biggest contract out there. Why wouldn?t he be at least a starting point when talking kreider. Other of course then to argue.

Pretty sure Tavares took a discount to go to Toronto to make it work,, but when he signed he became the 2nd highest paid player even though he is not the 2nd best player in the league. You know what your point was in bringing up McDavid's contract. By the way, fun fact: Tavares has a lower career PPG than Panarin.

I agree on Kreider. He will get the money. We just disagree on the Rangers being the ones to give it to him.

So we trade Kreider and Panarin signs with Florida, where do we get any offense from. I have no problem bringing CK back. He can score, and has shown he can play here in New York. Having Kreider doesn’t hurt this team.

What do we really need offense for next season if we don't get Panarin? Gotta score enough goals to finish 6th from last again instead of 3rd or 4th from last?

I'd trade Kreider, but the expected returns would be very different based on whether they signed Panarin or not. To me, Panarin represents a complete shift in the timeline for this franchise being competitive again. A difference between competing by 2020-2021 versus 2022-2023 at the earliest. There are cascading moves that will be made based on whether they land him or not in my opinion.

Only Conner Mcdavid will have a higher cap hit. Seems reasonable

There's probably about 10-15 players who could and would command 12+ million annually on a new contract if they were a UFA on the market this offseason. But they aren't and Panarin is. Within a year or two players will start signing for more than whatever Panarin gets. That's just how contracts work really...the bar is always raised unless the cap stops increasing.

By the way, when McDavid signed that extension he had something like 6 more years before he was going to be UFA eligible. He didn't have UFA leverage like Tavares did or Panarin does. There's a premium to be paid for that when bidding with other teams. If McDavid was actually a UFA today he'd most likely shatter his current contract (15M+ annually?).

I’m fine either way with kreider. Curious though how some are worried about him living up to $6m over 4 of 5 years but panarain at $12m for 7 years is not a concern. Crazy to me.

It makes sense to me. One is a 50 point player who is much easier to replace, both through FA and from within. The other is a 80-90 point player and those are very hard to find, both in FA and from within. Risk should be weighed accordingly.

She said it, if those in Westeros aren't going to love her they are going to fear her.

 

She was heading in this direction for season's now, continuously reeled in by her trusty advisors. They all either died or in Dany's mind betrayed her, so she was finally trusting her instincts and giving in to her grief at the same time.

 

I don't think she is crazy in the Targaryen/Mad King way. She's just done with restraint and wants to punish people. She's becoming Cersei only she still tries to convince herself that this is for three good of those who come after.

 

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She's not entirely wrong in that line of thinking. Good ethical dilemma.

BUT, she had the war won without lighting the entire city and innocents on fire. That leans toward Mad King crazy.

The reality is not everyone was going to be happy no matter what the ending was here. I thought some things were either a bit underwhelming or over the top at times, but overall I thought the story might end up at this point with Daenerys going mad.

We've seen Daenarys' regression into this for a while. I think Varus' comment towards the beginning was telling about how it was going to go. "They say every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin". Well, Jon is the good one so Daenerys must not be. Add in the fact that all of her closest friends have died, and Jon distancing himself romantically. Ticking time bomb.

I think the Rangers resign Kreider unless we add both Kakko and Panarin. With a contending team and regular line mates he is a 30 goal scorer with his front of the net presence. His asking price might have taken a hit with the way he finished.

But he has never been a 30 goal scorer in 6 seasons and counting. The Rangers shouldn't be about to pay him as such either.

I'd be fine getting Hughes. It's not like we're loaded at center.

If there's one scenario where I would probably be in favor of rolling the dice on Kreider long term, this would probably be it.

But its not like he'll go from one of the fastest players in the league to one of the slowest, in 1 season. And he's also not a one trick pony.

 

Plus, that net front presence seems to be pretty important during the playoffs.

He only needs to lose a step in order for that stretch pass to be pretty irrelevant. Front of net presence is a strength of his but that's not exactly a trait worth 6-7 x 6-7.

He'll be 29 at the start of his next contract.

I was happy for Berube; he's worked his ass off in this league and glad to see him succeed on this level.

Berube looks like the crazy uncle you have to put up with at Thanksgiving.

DQ hitting the beaches recently!

He's getting his tan together to meet up with Panarin in Florida during the offseason

Not sure if anyone has linked this one yet, but here's a current Bill Pidto interview with Gorton on MSG:

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"Trying to trade people" 3:50

Get it done Gorton. Unload the shit!

Middlestadt? That's it? Middlestadt or bust? You know he also hasn't been great.

 

I just don't understand how you can constantly shit on a rookie. I don't get the thought process behind that.

I think the medal throwing incident got under a lot of people's skin. For me it was who cares...

Way too soon to give up on Lias or think he has no potential.

They just took a goalie last year in the 2nd round as well as bringing Shesterkin over this upcoming year...and Georgiev. I think taking a goalie in the 1st round would be a complete waste of a pick.

Yep this. Olof Lindbom looks promising as well. No need to burn a pick on a goalie.

Didn't he have 3 assists in that gold medal game?

Assists on the 2nd and 4th goals. That pass on the 4th goal was beautiful.

I'd take analysis seen here with a big grain of salt. Fox won't move the needle for everybody. The bar for that is pretty high.

The Giants disproved this last year. According to you, if you score the most points your going to win the division, yet, the Giants scored the most in their division, and were in last place in the division. Yes, you need to score to win, but simply putting up a lot of points doesn't mean your a good team. And again, out of the entire NFL, the were no where near the top in scoring. They were better the second half, but they were still bad, and they haven't really done anything to improve that much in the offseason. That OL is terrible. The opposition got to Eli more times than not.

One year doesn't disprove anything. Look at the last 10 years. Generally the top point scorer in the division has been winning the division or at least close. It's not everything because offense is half the battle. Defense matters just as much. The Giants scored enough points to compete for the division. The defense was just that bad.

The OL improved as the season went. Flowers was flushed out. Hernandez as a rookie got better as the season went. Him progressing even more this year should help relieve Solder's amount of responsibility on the left side. They traded for an all pro RG. Center wasn't particularly bad last year. RT is still a hole. We'll see what they do there.