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I am becoming somewhat resigned to what seems to be a strong likelihood that Panarin goes to Florida, which would mean moving on to another plan. In that case, you kick the can down the road another year. If Kreider signs at a good rate, fine. If not, just trade him and be done with it. Look to vets to supplement the roster for 2 seasons. Pavelski is a great option if he leaves SJ.

 

Then re-evaluate next summer. Shattenkirk/Smith can be bought out for far cheaper. It would open up potential to be active on the FA market. Only problem is there is nobody on Panarin's level that will be available, unless Hall doesn't resign and would actually spurn NJ for NY.

 

In ths event Panarin actually signs here, flush out whoever you need to flush out. Namestnikov, Vesey etc.

This seems like good news for the Rangers on the Kreider front, no?

 

I'd gladly keep Kreider for south of 6m

 

You would think so given that Karlsson is better than Kreider.

Per Carp, they're about a million apart.

 

Just speculating, but gotta think it's something like 6.5 vs 5.5. Meeting in the middle should be attainable, but there may be a team out there willing to give him the asking price.

The overuse of the word "literal"/"literally".

Lol Vancouver got ripped off

Not really; it's probably a 10-month rehab even if everything goes as well as you could hope . He probably won't start skating until early next year. Mckenzie is giving some rosy scenarios but reality is he's going to be behind for the first 2 years at least.

 

Hot sister though...

 

It actually is because normally you're still on crutches after 2 weeks.

Damn. The fact Krebs is walking 2 weeks after achilles surgery is pretty impressive.

Really disappointed with this pick.

 

Wanted Seider.

Kakko it will be!

I don't know why, but I am getting this last second feeling that the Devils will throw an absolute curveball and go Kakko.

Other than passing on Hughes or Kakko, is there anything from the Rangers that would genuinely shock anyone at the draft tomorrow night?

 

For me it would be getting back into the top 5, maybe with some package like Kreider/Lundkvist/2020 1st.

I understand the excitement for Kakko, but yeah.

 

It almost seems like Hughes is underrated. And I want to avoid praising the future Devil, but holy shit if the Rangers ended up with him. Look at where his linemates have been drafted the last 2 season - and its because of Hughes.

 

The narrative would be around his elite skating and passing, and how his style of play fits the best in today's NHL.

#2 is a steal.

I hope people understand that, in such scenario, getting Hughes might be the biggest luck draw in the history of the NHL draft. I know Rangers fans have convinced themselves Kakko is the better player, but lucking into Hughes would be amazing. Like, NHL rig-level amazing in a few seasons.

 

If the Rangers had the #1 pick, it would be a lovefest for Hughes around here.

I speak to this directly in the article:

 

"For the “keep him and build up his value” crowd, ask yourself this: how could that reasonably be accomplished if this time around the power play displacement were made permanent? It’s going to be awfully hard to pick up points with little to no power special teams time and third-pairing duties which will limit, if not eliminate entirely, whatever trade market one would hope to garner for him down the line."

 

If Fox is ready, all this accomplishes is wasting time on his entry-level deal. It's lose-lose.

 

I wouldn't personally put money on Shattenkirk building up his value. I was just suggesting the Rangers may perhaps view it this way. I do question whether Fox is actually ready though. We are being forcefed this narrative that he will seamlessly move from college to the NHL, and we have seen multiple instances in the past where this just isn't the case.

 

If Shattenkirk eats crap minutes on the 3rd pair for a little more than half a season while Fox adjusts to a pro game in the AHL, it just buys time before Shattenkirk can be more reasonably bought out next summer. Fox can be brought up when A) he is ready and it is obvious, conditional pick be damned, or B) after the plateau has been hit in order to keep the 2nd rounder next year.

 

All of this is moot though if there actually is a buyer for Shattenkirk now.

What if the plan is to have Fox in the AHL until later in the year and Shattenkirk stays. Maybe Shattenkirk plays his value up, gets traded at the deadline. I believe the cutoff for that conditional pick going from a 3rd to a 2nd was 30 games for Fox right? Just saying. I realize they paid for him, but maybe the price was paid to start getting him exposure to the professional game in the A the first half+ of the year. Of course, if he plays lights out in the preseason and forces their hand, then hey...the conditional pick doesn't matter and you play him.

Has nothing to do with Pavelski. Pavelski has been healthy his whole career. Perry is a goal scorer who just cam back from having his knee rebuilt and scored 6 goals in 30 games. That's a 16 goal pace.

 

Still waiting for some 50 point players at 2 million dollars. I'll lower the bar. 40 point players.

You have him penciled in for 50 points in 2020/2021? He hasn't scored more than 20 goals in 3 years and he keeps getting older.

 

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I wouldn't say it's a lock or anything, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt until he can't do it anymore. He has been a good player for a long time. 34 isn't dead. Look at Pavelski.

Who said give him away? You put Krieder on the market teams are gonna be interested.

 

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You said: "Trade him to anyone for any pick"

Except its not because its still $2M cheaper than have Perry on the ice doing nothing.

 

He's been a 50 point player even in his 30s. Last year he was hurt the majority of the season. Where are you finding a 50 point player for 2 million bucks?

That's not the point. The point is to get rid of Kreider's salary. Trade him to anyone for any pick. It doesn't matter.

 

It does matter though because you don't just give valuable commodities away. Just because his future cap hit might not align with what the Rangers want to do, it doesn't mean there aren't a dozen teams who feel differently and will pay a good price for him.

 

By the way, if I'm choosing between some crap like a 2nd round pick versus holding onto him until at least the deadline, then I'm holding onto him.

2019 1st round pick (OTT)

 

COL

 

Kreider, Chris

 

NYR

 

2019 4th round pick (SJS)

 

BUF

 

Vesey, Jimmy

 

NYR

 

2019 6th round pick (COL)

 

COL

 

Namestnikov, Vladislav

 

Kreider won't get #4 by himself. I thought perhaps Kreider + #20 might get the ball rolling, but obviously that is kaput.

 

Kreider/Lundkvist/pick might get the Avs listening.

The dead cap hit in year 2 is brutal.

I'm sure they have an idea already as to how they're gonna handle it, but I don't think it's that big a risk.

 

If he gets hurt, then we can either still trade him on his potential value at the deadline, or even resign him at a lesser amount due to the injury or absence

If he has a down year statistically, he will still garner a decent return based on his past statistics and speed/size value to a contender. Kreider brings more than stats to the table. It's whether he uses them consistently that matters!

On top of that, I agree with Josh; If the veteran players here cannot deal with the fact that they're professional athletes and that being traded is part of the game...Hasta la vista baby!

 

It's less about the veterans and more about the 18-21 year old kids seeing guys sort of sulk around waiting to be traded again. Love Zuccarello but he was a drag for a while last year. You'd think someone drowned his puppy in front of him at times. Maybe they've gotten rid of enough over the last 2 years that it's not a problem anymore, but it still seems more beneficial to make the decision now rather than later.

Pavelski seems like the perfect guy to bring in right now. Three year contract won’t hurt you and he’s be s great guy to mentor and produce at a second line center role.

 

If no Panarin, I'm good with Pavelski on a short contract like that. Though, Panarin at the end of a 7 year contract will be Pavelski's current age. Seems a little alarmist to worry about Panarin from age 27-35 and not Pavelski from age 35-38?

I think Pete's right on this one. There really is no hurry. Kreider is still under contract for this season, and should best be playing his ass off this season for a future contract, with whomever it may be. That in itself can light a fire under his ass, and it kills 2 birds with one rock:

 

A) He'll up his value considerably for a trade at the deadline to a contender

B) We can also just decide to keep him and offer him an extension

 

For the first time in a long time, the Rangers are holding the cards, and we have a lot of bargaining power with the fact that a generational talent is headed our way, and plenty of young studs on their way up!

 

For me there are too many questions if you go into the year with him and no extension. What if he gets hurt? What if he has a down year statistically? What does this do to team morale with all the trade deadline chatter again? A lot can go wrong here with a pretty valuable asset. It's possible that if contract talks are unreasonably high AND if there isn't a great offer to trade, then carrying him into the season may be a forced backup plan.