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This is fair. But you insinuated that Tavares is elite and Panarin is not. Josh just covered the case I was going to make.

Define elite.

He's going to beat out Brendan Smith?

I don't see why Hughes can't have a Kane-type rookie season. I'm not really buying this "not NHL ready" stuff because he's 5-10 pounds lighter than he might be in his prime.

If Duchene becomes a perennial 70 point center over the next 4-5 years, whoever gets him at 7-8 mill a season will be getting a great deal. My money says he doesn't though. I feel like he's been in the league long enough to see what he is, which is a fairly inconsistent 2nd line C.

Well, clearly a misunderstanding. I addressed your Kreider/Duchene vs. Panarin hypothetical. Then I separately addressed a comment you made in the same post about why there would be a distaste for Duchene (specifically, not Kreider). I thought it was clear but I should have broken down your quote into two sections and answered separately. The point still stands though. Duchene is far more likely to wind up not earning his contract than Panarin. It doesn't mean he wouldn't, but odds and probability matter.

I'd like to think Rykov is a little more seasoned than Lindgren since he has spent a few seasons in the KHL compared to Lindgren's 1 full season in the AHL. The KHL is probably a more talented league to play in.

Give me McDavid's 3 year average just like you did with the other 2, and not just the career high he set last year. Let's not cherrypick. McDavid 3 year average: 37 G 71 A 108 points Still less output. Now what? Also I never mentioned Kreider. I pointed out Duchene's variance as a reason for "distaste", which you tried to invalidate with some off the cuff and inaccurate Panarin variance comparison.

My comment wasn't about Duchene + Kreider. That's a separate discussion. It was in reference to your comment about a distaste for Duchene. It's variance and therefore increased risk. With regards to Duchene + Kreider vs Panarin, does it really work like that? By that logic Kreider + Duchene would outscore just about any single player in the league. So Duchene + Kreider > McDavid?

Lol you asked what math makes it true. Standard deviation of year over year production is a good indicator of what range from the mean we might see. Duchene has a lot more uncertainty. But yes, you are right in that P/GP std deviation year over year would be much more accurate. Panarin: 0.0728 Duchene: 0.1629 Panarin much more likely to finish closer to his P/GP average than Duchene; therefore, much less likely to bust.

Just look at the stats. If you really want to break it down calculate the standard deviation for each. Duchene: 13.01 Panarin: 4.95 There is a much greater range in production from year to year with Duchene. You can tell this discrepancy just by looking at year over year production. This doesn't take into account potential progression upwards either. Panarin is still on an upwards trajectory. Duchene is up and down. Hard to tell.

Right now? Absolutely yes. I wouldn't call it distaste for Duchene as much as you don't know what you're getting with him. Are you getting 70 point Duchene from last season or are you getting 55 point Duchene from basically the rest of his career? Hard to know if he's hitting a stride of consistency at a high level or if he just peaked and that's all you're paying for. Locked up to a 55 point player for 7-8 million over 5-7 years is big trouble. That's part of the reason why they traded Stepan.

Agreed. The firsts should certainly become less valuable year over year.

Perhaps, but it doesn't explain the Dothraki and there was plenty of other fluff in the season that wasn't nearly as important as explaining the gap between Daenerys' death and the council meeting. All of which still points to bad writing.

Nah, I can dislike an episode without being grouped with whiners signing petitions. I enjoyed the rest of the season despite the rushed nature, up until the last episode and bits of the one before that. I could sit here for 20 minutes typing up a bunch of examples but it's over and it wouldn't change the ending or your mind regardless. You called it the greatest finale in history though and you didn't know who Bronn was. Come on man...you set yourself up on that one. You have a sympathetic attachment for the writers given your own working background, but this kind of job naturally comes with critique. They got a lot of deserved praise for a long time with this show, but they botched the ending and are getting much deserved criticism. They will just have to live with the "but" attached to a description of the series: "Game of Thrones was one of the great tv shows in this era, but the ending wasn't up to par". Personal opinion: Breaking Bad remains the best written tv show ever made. From start to finish. Game of Thrones had a chance to compete with a ginormous budget and came short at the end.

A counter point is if the Stars re-sign Zucc and we get their 1st, then we trade Kreider for a 1st+, that recoups roughly half the cost for an offersheet to Point. Not exactly half since I would rather own the Rangers' own 1sts than those hypothetical ones. I would probably be inclined to do Kreider and 2 1sts for Point. Hell, make Tampa a similar offer for Point before offersheeting if you go that route.

If not Panarin, and presumably no Karlsson, then it should be nobody. Elite players only. Don't overpay for secondary players. Continue down the path of youth development and expect a lottery team the next 2 years.

If Tampa's trading Callahan it's probably to flat out dump his salary to get some cap space back. Would be shocked if they had any interest in Shattenkirk with his contract. I would think they'd be more interested in someone like Pionk, who can probably be re-signed on a cheaper 2x2.5 kind of deal. That would save them 3.3M against the cap if they are unloading Callahan. The question is, do they have anything good enough to make it worth it on the Rangers' end?

I just wouldn't expect someone who doesn't know who Bronn is to care much about details. That's all. Here's an example of a significant logical lapse: Jon and Tyrion aren't immediately executed by the Unsullied and Dothraki after their Queen is murdered. All of a sudden they are reasonable people? Even reasonable people would dole out capital punishment, let alone savage armies. Regardless, I've moved on from the show and onto another one. It was great while it lasted, but the last 2 episodes certainly knock the show down a peg. Certainly takes away from rewatchability.

If someone doesn't know who Bronn was then they really didn't pay much attention, or maybe even watch the series. Kind of invalidates any opinion there. Some people like to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

It doesn't have anything to do with getting a specific ending, but it should at least make sense (and no, it absolutely did not make sense).

How do you read that script and think that's good writing?

Fuck that. That is all.

I don't get the hate for the Sharks around here? Just because they got a couple of calls that wasn't their choice, or is there another reason?

Heh, kinda funny. I had just mentioned this in another thread too: http://www.blueshirtsbrotherhood.com/showthread.php?21604-Kane-on-Hughes-He-does-a-lot-of-things-better-than-me&p=968636&viewfull=1#post968636 All of the talk would be about Hughes' electeic playmaking and skating IMO...as it should be.