Pete

42 minutes ago, Br4d said:

 

Laviolette was putting his main guys on extra shifts late before Rempe got here.   It's his MO to try to squeeze his best players for a bit more.

 

He's going to do that if Brodz is the 12th skater also.

 

The Canes skated 9 forwards in OT.

Yes, because he didn't have Wennberg and Roslovic to push guys down the lineup. Now, he shouldn't have to. Brodzinski was a 3rd liner for half the year, but now he can't be a regular 4th liner for a few games on the road? I don't buy that.

Yes the Canes played 9 forwards last night. I'm not talking about the Canes and I'm not talking about last night. Rempe playing 4 minutes a games is a big enough issue in a 60 minute game, it's even worse when he sits in a 2OT game after period 2.

2 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

He’s only ever played the left side.

And he’s played it oh so well… as a clutch performer.

 

Hes proven he’s a great player in his spot.

Hes proven he can easily play with great players.

But you need to keep him on his side.

He’s the player you never move. 

 

Guentzel is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

And has been for a number of years.

 

Name 10 left wingers who’ve been better than him over the last 5-6 seasons?

 

You cant.

 

No one can.

 

Cause they don’t exist. 

They exist. In the same world where Mika isn't good at setting up other players. 

You really can't make this shit up. 

3 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

"I know you are but what am i"

 

LMAO

7 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

Why do you care is the better question?

 

Don’t see the harm in analyzing the move after some time has passed. Drury has had many moves not work out for him, and the decision he made between Strome and Trocheck is one in the win column. Big win.

Why do you care what I care about is the better question?

Your love affair with me continues. 

3 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

He was still a better and more complete player than Strome was.

Strome can’t win a faceoff to save his life, doesn’t kill penalties, and a stiff wind might knock him over.

 

And I’m a fan of Strome’s.

 

But he was an upgrade last year.

Hes an upgrade this year.

Hes an upgrade ever. 

I don't even understand why we're still talking about Strome.

Nobody complained about signing Trocheck over Strome on July 1. No one.

Last year Tro and Bread were oil and water so it was easy to wonder if they made a questionable choice. Now they found their chemistry. 

This year he became the player everybody said he would be last year (but wasn't), so why are we still talking about a guy who hasn't been here in two seasons?

Is Rempe sits next game and they lose... Then all you have to do is put him back in. 

16 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

It hasn't been regular season Panarin (mainly because it's incredibly hard to maintain that level and pace in the playoffs), but it's not been anywhere near 2023 playoffs Panarin either. He's moving his feet, he's fighting for pucks, he's aggressive every time he has the puck and he shoots a lot.

 

He has 3 GWG's, 7 points and a +1 (been a minus player every playoffs as a Ranger) in 6 games. Last night he played over 32 minutes, 3 points and 4 hits (most by any Ranger forward!).

 

I was one of his biggest critics last summer and I spent most of the season saying "October is not April", but I'm happily eating crow now. He's doing it in May and I'm loving it.

All of this, and it's also a really odd time to be complaining about anybody on the team. 

They're undefeated in the playoffs. 

Can they at least lose (once) before we start pointing fingers at players?

I know what a health bomb is, thanks.

I just don't get what bringing up the term has to do with anything.

No one is going to miss 4 mins of Rempe. They will carry on the same as they do after he gets ejected.

Just now, Phil said:

 

You might consider this splitting hairs, but moving a player down in the lineup isn't the same thing as removing them from it entirely. It's why the phrase "health bomb" exists.

I don't know what health bomb has to do with the conversation, but the point is you can make changes to a winning lineup and if you can demote your captain you can sit a plug.

2 hours ago, Vodka Drunkenski said:

You’re right, all secondary masterpieces - one was a blocked shot, Fox made an unbelievable play on another…

 

Roslovic has been more noticeable, let that one simmer

Panarin is similar box cars to Trocheck, and in most cases better metrics in all situations, yet one is talked about as Conn Smythe and you're ragging Panarin. WHo cares if a goal came off a blacked shot from a player who you complained didn't shoot the puck enough? The playoffs are about broken plays.

I think a lot of it is just your view of the player, which is not at all objective.

20 minutes ago, phillyb said:

 

I believe that. There's a reason Fox was mouthing off to Guentzel to begin with. 

Because Guentzel is a giant twat?

4 minutes ago, siddious said:

 

He had moments last season where yes he was head and shoulders above strome.

 

there were also times where I remembers saying I wish we had just kept Strome.

 

this year it’s not even close. Career year? Yea probbably. But if he puts up anything similar going forward he was absolutely the right signing. 

It was always the right decision. 

He just wasn't always good. Last year he was average at best. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that, as he has already done so. 

This year's a different story.

In a 2OT game Rempe played a season low (except for games he was kicked out of), and didn't see the ice for 2 and 1/2 periods after the second period.

Yes, I would agree that who the coach is playing is an indicator of what's working and what's not. 

1 minute ago, Sod16 said:

The most miraculous feat since Panarin turned Ryan Strome into a 21 goal player.

Okay so what's your point?

1 minute ago, Ozzy said:

Brodzinsky is an AHL player...Chytil last played a game in what, November? 

 

I'm all for leaving the Remper in there....I trust Lavvy to use him to the best of his ability.  The record with him in there isn't by accident.

Brodzinski was everyone's blue collar hero until Rempe and now he's just an AHL player? What is Rempe then?

That's just lazy Dude come on. 

3 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

 

Can't I have nice things too? 

You can, for 82 regular season games. 

I get my nice things for 16 playoff games. 

Just now, Ozzy said:

 

 

 

 

 

@RJWantsTheCupRobbie, sorry I took your wings last night!

@Phil Phil, not sorry I just stole all these quotes!!  LOL

 

I want my Rempe fix.  I just can't see us changing anything yet.  I like him even just being on the bench...just in case.

 

I get the 5 minutes a game point, and I do think over time that may lean on more players exhaustion...I think this kid has to be a part of this with these guys.  Just his presence alone being there makes me feel good about this team.

Just in case of what? Someone runs Igor? Twice? Oh...gee.

Yes, we know his presence makes you feel good, because you're a throwback to the days of face punching. It's not hockey related whatsoever lol. 

8 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

And I'm open to both this argument (of the fading effect) and the idea of replacing him with a player who can give you more minutes ... when they lose. Until then, I change nothing.

I can understand that point of view as well. It's not one that I share, but I get it. The team won something like 10 out of 12 games and they still moved Trouba to the 3rd pair. When the writing is on the wall, sometimes you don't need to actually suffer the L.

And again, for me it's not whether or not he's going to take a penalty that the hurricanes may or may not score on. This is now all about his deployment, or lack thereof.

The beauty of Rempe was his ability to take a (quasi) regular shift. The second he loses that, he's just another face punching goon that really doesn't have a role in today's game, especially in the playoffs against an opponent like Carolina. 

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Who cares? Is anyone on the team suffering because of this? If anything, the sideshow is providing value, because the crowd loves him and cheers for him every time he touches the ice. His presence alone, however infrequent, brings them into the game every time he does touch the ice. And the team feeds off that energy.

 

All I see are positives.

Yeah, I mean The point you're echoing here is mine. I said it over and over again. 

My point is that effect is now wavering. The crowd is not as in tune to him as in the beginning. It's starting to fade.

And PS, that effect we're talking about happened a whopping four times last night. Four. 

So once again I will say if he's not going to play, there's no point in dressing him. He's not giving you that boost from the bench. 

I love Rempe, but I'm also a little exhausted of the sideshow. He gets almost as much press as anyone else on the team, meanwhile there are 3 Conn Smythe candidates playing on a team that just went 6-0 in the playoffs, and we're sitting here talking about a fourth liner who plays 5 minutes a game and has a 50/50 shot of getting kicked out. 

I think everyone needs to move on. Whether or not he plays is completely inconsequential, and the less he plays the less anyone should care. 

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

 

This is superstitious nonsense.  He has nothing to do with either win in this series.

I was on board with not changing the lineup until this game, if you're not going to play him there's no point in dressing him.

4 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

News flash: all teams shorten their bench in OT. Almost no one uses fourth liners, including good teams, like the Canes.

 

Rempe keeps playing until they lose.

It's not just the OT, and it's not just about this series. 

Rempe had 4 shifts all game. I'm sorry, but that's just not sustainable because the players who are eating those minutes are the top players (Panarin, Tro, Zib) and if you have an opportunity to keep them fresh early, you should take it because we'll need them later. 

If you're going to dress him, play him, otherwise what's the point of dressing him? If you don't think you can play him and trust the outcome, then you shouldn't be dressing him. 

Guentzel has seven points in seven games, however heading into last night he only had one goal.

12 minutes ago, phillyb said:

 

You've made two well-thought posts and I agree. And what it boils down to at the end of the day for me is, "what is Brodzinski giving you that Rempe doesn't?" 

Skating ability? Not chasing hits? No phantom calls? 

I'm sorry but I do take 10 mins of JB over 4 of Rempe. 

13 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

I get the point, but I think as long as it's just one player it's no problem. It could be a big problem if we were to get an in-game injury or misconduct and suddenly play two players short.

 

Just to do some simple math on this. Let's say Brodz played last night and got some shifts in the 3rd and OT. I don't think he would play more than Kakko, so let's say Brodz got 10 minutes (more than the entire Canes 4th line). That's 6 minutes more than Rempe played. I've seen Kreids, Mika, Trocheck, Wennberg, Cuylle and Roslovic taking shifts on the 4th line - so it's like what.. 1 minute less per player? I can't see that making any difference, even in the long run.

 

I'm not opposed to the idea and I don't really care either way, but I just don't want to fuck with the mojo you know. We're 6-0 and we basically never lose with Rempe in the lineup. I'm not fucking with that for 8-10 minutes of Brodzinski.

I hear you, but it's not just about what they're doing versus Carolina this series. 

Next series they're going to play either Florida or Boston whose fourth line plays around 9:00 or 10 minutes, and after that the team's out west are rolling 4 lines.

That's when you need to worry about fatigue because your top players are playing more than their top players.