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He's a brand detriment. Full stop. You can be both an asshole and a brand asset. See Tkachuk, Matthew. You can be outspoken on social media and be a brand asset. PK Subban comes to mind here. You can be a Trump supporter (because let's just stop pretending that this isn't what you all are referring to) and be a brand asset. See Seth Jones. When you're throwing shitfits on social media? You're not a brand asset. When you're provoking fights with fans and with teammates? Not a brand asset. When you do stupid shit on the ice and complain about getting called for it? Not a brand asset. He made his own bed here.

What would you have done differently? You'd have just let him walk after that season? No trade, no attempt to recoup assets? This is far from Plan A, but to call this bad asset management misses the part where the asset acted so poorly that the value went south.

Right, but as Josh pointed out - you arb him for a year, you can't move him. You walk, you're in the same boat you're in now, minus a relatively minor cap issue. Either of those are worse asset management than the current situation.

Totally forgot about that rule. That furthers the "avoid arb at all cost" argument.

Possibly, yeah. Either way - Rangers have to air the laundry, he makes too much to trade, maybe both - it's not really good for his trade value no matter what the outcome of arb was.

I think it's a weird, unique choice they had to make because of arbitration. If you're going to trade a potentially valuable, but risky asset, the last thing you want to do is publicly air the risky stuff, and we know they'd been trying to trade him for a while. I guess the choice was "we can give him some term and hope it works out without airing the dirty laundry" or "we can torpedo his value in arbitration". They were kind of stuck.

Eh, nobody here wanted the ADA saga to end like this. Sure, it was probably the most likely outcome by a few percentage points, but nobody loves the fact that one of our better offensive defensemen has self-sabotaged this hard. I certainly don't love that we're not going to get much for him either. I get the GM moves around him from an asset protection angle: why we re-signed him, DEFINITELY understand why we avoided arbitration, hate that we couldn't deal him before the season. And I get having to draw a line and stick to it - it's just good organizational management. If that account really is ADA, he's done in the NHL. Having a back-end account for the express purpose of stanning yourself and shit-talking your own team? Donezo. Bye. Enjoy Novosibirsk. Hope it's not, because truly, I hope ADA gets it under control. He's too good a player to be this consistently in his own way.

This is impressive misdirection. it's not terribly hard to draw a clear analogy here and say things like "Hmm, I'm really thinking that when I want my next job, my last employer should just hand over my entire HR file from head to toe" - and immediately understand why and how that might be extremely problematic. It's also not really hard to think "If I screwed up at my job, and instead of accepting that and learning from it, I actively made everyone else's job harder" that there should be consequences. Oh, right, sorry, hockey isn't a job in spite of the endless allegories - he signed an employment contract, he gets a paycheck, he has a boss, he's a brand representative and is expected to act in a way consistent with the brand, his performance dictates his likelihood of a raise, he's a union member, and so on and so on. You're purposefully, willfully confusing "equal treatment" with "my guy had to face public consequences", and perhaps, just maybe, you're excessively angry at a coach for doing his job instead of a player who didn't.

There have been multiple black captains in the NHL before.

I think this is honestly the right answer. Dude has liquid nitrogen flowing through his veins, and again - if not Kreider, the message you're sending is that the Captain should be among the youth.

I'm going to risk the ire of the mob here, but I'll say it anyway - the more I watch this team, the less frustrated I am with Quinn, and the more frustrated I am with our expectations of this team - and a little bit with Jeff Gorton. We went into this season with a clear #1 center, no clear #2 center - but two candidates in Strome and Chytil, and major question marks on defense. That's not Quinn's fault - that's on Gorton, 100%. Chytil got hurt. That makes a real bad situation much worse. Strome decided to regress to Oilers Strome. That makes it untenable. We've seen almost improbably bad center play - in fact, there's a really good argument that we've been horrendously unlucky (specifically Mika Zibanejad) more than we've been just bad. If Mika had potted, say, 3 more goals - how much are we really having this conversation? He is the triggerman on the PP - he doesn't tick, our PP doesn't tick. Our games have been so close and so well fought for the past two weeks in spite of the results that three more goals might honestly be three more wins. It really doesn't help that Kreider is probably on one of the worst runs of play we've seen out of him in a long time. It really doesn't help that the secondary scoring seems afflicted with the same thing Zibanejad's got. I mean, fuck, Laf and Kakko could have had three goals each in the last three games, easy, with just a smidge of puck luck. And our defense? Quinn and Martin have turned massive questions into almost improbable defensive outcomes. Shit, if I told you last Sunday that we'd give up six goals this week, you'd probably have thought we won two games. In spite of almost everything that's gone on with our defense, we're playing the best defense we've seen since Girardi and McDonagh left. What's been done with Miller and Fox and Lindgren and even Hajek has been absolutely incredible, and I'd be hard-pressed to make changes knowing full well that we're seeing the emergence of a real top 4 - with more like-minded talent coming. Further, we just got out of three games against, probably, the two best defensive teams in the conference. I get how frustrating it is to not score - especially when you're rocking high picks and players like Zib and Bread - but we need to consider more than just what the Rangers did. They got robbed on high percentage chances. They couldn't get the greasier goals. It sucks, but it's both what good defensive teams do, and it happens. I can't be upset with the right compete level, and I can't get mad that the Bruins can hold down a team of young, but talented players they way they did. I can be upset at the failure to make changes to get around that, or what was a pretty bad second period yesterday, but I think the issues here aren't really all Quinn. I think it's part that Quinn doesn't appear to have an answer for reigniting this offense (though, again, I'm not sure his "keep playing like this" is even remotely wrong given the awful PDO we seem to have), and part that we have no vision for building this roster's depth spaces.

Honestly....good start here.

Hah! They just showed it -looks like Mika won a round of rock paper scissors too.

What did he do? I missed it.

Hahaha. They'll probably just chuck the guy too.

Wow. That's amazing for Drury! He's a heck of a rising star here...gotta wonder how long we can hold him as an Assoc GM even. Also, probably congrats to Fox and Key - Dru knows what he's got here, and ooh, it'll be fun watching those two. As a more random thing...I hear that leaving your aging star wing off the Olympic team is a real good way to get them to demand a trade. *glares nervously at Chris Kreider*

The bolded really speaks to my post earlier - the problem is not with the draft lottery so much as it is access to cost controlled talent (or a means of escaping high cost, low output talent)

Maybe a wee bit devils advocate here, but what exactly is wrong with this system? It explicitly does not reward tanking, it provides weighted odds based on season finish...I'm failing to see what's wrong here. Some limits on who can win multiple times is fine, but at the end of the day the problem isn't the lottery; it's that the same teams are in the same space for extended periods of time because their options for improving their teams (or in the case of teams like the Senators and Panthers, their lack of motivation to do so) are extremely limited. RFA rules and offer sheets aren't justifiable risk-reward setups, the cap places a premium on young, cost-controlled talent, and the means to get out from under contracts that have gone bad aren't desirable. Obviously, the PA would heavily object to a lot of this, but changing the draft lottery doesn't fix competitive balance.

REGULAR SEASON GAME #13 — 2/12/21 vs. Location: Madison Square Garden — New York, NY Time: 7:00 PM TV: NHLN, SN, TVAS, MSG+, NESN Radio: 98.7 FM, 107.1 FM, 710 AM, Sirius XM USEFUL LINKS: Coverage: @NYP_Brooksie • @RickCarpiniello • @ColinSNewsday • @vzmercogliano Team Official: @NYRangers • NYR on Instagram Official Team Websites: rangers.nhl.com • bruins.nhl.com GameCenter - here Standings: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]RECORD:[/td] [td]4-5-3 (11 Points)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]POSITION:[/td] [td]6th – MassMutual East[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]RW:[/td] [td]3[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]P%[/td] [td].455[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]HOME:[/td] [td]3-3-2[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]AWAY:[/td] [td]1-2-1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]S/O:[/td] [td]0-1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]LAST 10:[/td] [td]3-4-3[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]STREAK:[/td] [td]OT1[/td] [/tr] [/table] Team Statistics: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]DIFF:[/td] [td]-2 (T-17th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GF/GP:[/td] [td]2.58 (24th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GA/GP:[/td] [td]2.67 (12th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PP%:[/td] [td]13.0% (26th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PK%:[/td] [td]82.9% (T-8th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Corsi For (CF)%[/td] [td]48.6 (T-19th)[/td] [/tr] [/table] Team Leaders: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]Goals:[/td] [td]Artemi Panarin (5)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Assists:[/td] [td]Artemi Panarin (10)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Points:[/td] [td]Artemi Panarin (15)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]+/-:[/td] [td]K'Andre Miller, Kevin Rooney (+6)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PIM:[/td] [td]Chris Kreider (10)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]TOI/G (D):[/td] [td]Adam Fox (24:40)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]TOI/G (F):[/td] [td]Artemi Panarin (20:51)[/td] [/tr] [/table] Starting Lineup:^ Chris Kreider A / Mika Zibanejad A / Pavel Buchnevich Alexis Lafreniere / Ryan Strome / Kaapo Kakko Colin Blackwell / Brett Howden / Phil Di Giuseppe Brendan Lemieux / Kevin Rooney / Julien Gauthier Ryan Lindgren / Adam Fox K'Andre Miller / Jacob Trouba A Libor Hajek / Anthony Bitetto ^ Subject to change Starting Goaltender: Adam Fox Igor Shesterkin [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]GS[/td] [td]7[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]REC[/td] [td]3-3-1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]SV%[/td] [td].916[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GAA[/td] [td]2.31[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]SO[/td] [td]0[/td] [/tr] [/table] Healthy Scratches: None Taxi Squad: Keith Kinkaid, Anthony Greco Injuries, Suspensions, Misc: [F] Artemi Panarin [DTD] - Lower body; Out since 2/12/21 [D] Brendan Smith [DTD] - Upper body; Out since 2/2/21 [D] Jack Johnson [DTD] - Ass Taters; Out since 1/28/21 [D] Tony DeAngelo [DTD] - Bruised Ego, Black Eye; Out since 1/25/21 [F] Filip Chytil [iR] - Shoulder injury; Out 4 to 6 weeks since 1/26/21 Standings: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]RECORD:[/td] [td]9-1-2 (20 Points)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]POSITION:[/td] [td]1st - MassMutual East[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]RW:[/td] [td]7[/td] [/tr] [tr] [tr] [td]P%[/td] [td].833[/td] [/tr] [td]HOME:[/td] [td]4-0-0[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]AWAY:[/td] [td]5-1-2[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]S/O:[/td] [td]2-0[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]LAST 10:[/td] [td]8-1-1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]STREAK:[/td] [td]W4[/td] [/tr] [/table] Team Statistics: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]DIFF:[/td] [td]+13 (5th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GF/GP:[/td] [td]3.08 (14th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GA/GP:[/td] [td]2.17 (2nd)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PP%:[/td] [td]31.6% (6th)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PK%:[/td] [td]88.4% (2nd)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Corsi For (CF)%[/td] [td]56% (3rd)[/td] [/tr] [/table] Team Leaders: [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]Goals:[/td] [td]Brad Marchand (8)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Assists:[/td] [td]Patrice Bergeron, Charlie McAvoy (10)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]Points:[/td] [td]Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marchand (16)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]+/-:[/td] [td]Brad Marchand (+7)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]PIM:[/td] [td]Chris Wagner (13)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]TOI/G (D):[/td] [td]Charlie McAvoy (24:28)[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]TOI/G (F):[/td] [td]Brad Marchand (20:09)[/td] [/tr] [/table] Starting Lineup:^ Brad Marchand A / Patrice Bergeron C / David Pastrnak Nick Ritchie / David Krejci A / Craig Smith Jake DeBrusk / Charlie Coyle / Anders Bjork Trent Frederick / Sean Kuraly / Chris Wagner Jeremy Lauzon / Charlie McAvoy Matt Grzelcyk / Brandon Carlo Jakob Zboril / Kevan Miller ^ Subject to change Starting Goaltender: Tuukka Rask, for at least 58 minutes [table=width: 300, class: grid, align: center] [tr] [td]GS[/td] [td]8[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]REC[/td] [td]6-1-1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]SV%[/td] [td].906[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]GAA[/td] [td]2.31[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]SO[/td] [td]0[/td] [/tr] [/table] Healthy Scratches: N/A Taxi Squad: Karson Kuhlman, Greg McKegg, Zach Senyshyn, Steven Kampfer, Anton Blidh, Callum Booth Injuries, Suspensions, Misc: F Ondrej Case [iR] — Upper-body injury; Out since 1/15/21 F Jake Debrusk [iR] — Undisclosed injury; Left game 1/25/20 F Jack Studnicka [iR] — Undisclosed injury D Matt Grzelcyk [DTD] — Lower-body injury QUOTE(S) TO NOTE: [table=width: 630, align: center] [tr] [td=align: center] "The way we kind of measure our game is how fast we play and the way we pressure and the way we forecheck. We talk a lot in that locker room about speed, and everything we do, do it as quick as we can. I think we've just got to keep doing that." [/td] [/tr] [/table] — Mika Zibanejad on moving forward Adam Fox on Adam Fox:

Let's take this from a coach's perspective. You're in a tied game with 7 minutes remaining. Are you riding your top 6 trying to get that goal, or doling out ice time equitably? Further, your top players who aren't hurt - Zib, Buch, Kakko, even Strome - are generating good chances. Again, are you going to think your top players are going to get you that goal, or are you thinking to lower your odds by getting your bottom 6 out there? When you hit that part of a pro game, your bottom 6 comes out for just enough to rest either your first or second line. No more, unless they've created a chance. It looked like PDG and Laf took a few shifts in Panarin's spot. Even then, you want the rookie out there with 5 minutes left in the game and one mistake possibly meaning points lost in the standings? Nah. He's super talented, but you can't put that on Laf, or even Gauthier. I'm not really sure where the complaint comes from here. Gauthier lost time to game script, for all intents and purposes.

This is the sort of game I expected a lot of this season. Good effort, but a learning curve to translating effort to goals and wins.

I honestly don't think the fifth guy matters too much on that unit, but yeah, it was Strome last year. That's the other way you go about it. I'm more for getting folks to cash in on rebounds, but you could also spread the threat more evenly.

I don't entirely blame Quinn for the lack of production from young players - they're not getting prime production minutes, and bluntly, given last year's outcomes, why would you be trotting out anyone but Panarin, Zib, Fox, Kreider, and Buch on that first unit? They were LETHAL last year. Mika being constantly off-kilter this year is messing with it. I don't mind them taking 85% of all PP time when they're converting like last year, but they're just not. It's time to start messing with that first unit. I think you have to stick with Zib, Panarin, and Fox, but it's time to get Laf and Kakko in for Buch and Kreider on the first unit. They're begging for goals, and especially in Laf's case, fighting for and winning pucks. I think when Chytil is back, you trot him out with Buch, Kreider, Miller, and Strome/Trouba (if you feel like you need someone blasting the puck, take Trouba, else take Strome or even Howden/Gauthier).

This felt like a game where the Rangers deserved better than they got. They needed to go a step further, and Varlamov was great. I think you're right - we need centers doing more to drive our play. We're really strong on the perimeter, but we can't seem to make those perimeter plays count because there's no threat of a goal like what Cizikas did to us - nobody's getting in dirty for that rebound.