Phil Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 28. Coaching stuff: It?s expected Lindy Ruff will stay with David Quinn in New York. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-vegas-thinking-re-visiting-erik-karlsson-deal/ Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Seems like Quinn doesn’t get to choose his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 What makes you think that? Friedman reported the two expected to touch base. I seriously doubt this call was made without his tacit approval, if not his consent. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Not the problem; not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 Pretty much. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Why do most people have a bug in their ass with Ruff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 The defense, which he was in charge of, was awful. Especially in zone exits and entries. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 The defense, which he was in charge of, was awful. Especially in zone exits and entries. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk The Associate/Assitant coach doesn’t have all that authority a lot of the time. He’s also not responsible for how they break out. I have no clue how much say he had in situations. Was it said he was the guy solely making those decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 I'd have to look it up, but I believe he had autonomy with the defense. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 The defense, which he was in charge of, was awful. Especially in zone exits and entries. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Imo this makes him part of the problem. Especially because as you point out above I believe he did have the autonomy to run the D as he saw fit. He should of been replaced as a part of the house cleaning and fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 As of now the rangers are keeping their video coach, goalie coach, strength and conditioning coach, and now ruff. They kept ruff around while searching for a coach. Obviously the front office at the very least was hoping Quinn would find him useful. Is that all? Or was ruff kept around to “help” whomever the rangers hired. They were going to hire a rookie coach for fresh ideas and development but imo ruff was part of any new coaches package of coming on board. It doesn’t really mean anything other than the front office wanted some security and say in what happens going forward. Doesn’t mean it won’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I would have been fine with Ruff being named HC. Probably should have been given the job Midway through last season. With that said, do you want the guy with the 6th most coaching wins (all time) as well as the 6th most games coached (all time) on the bench with a rookie head coach? Obviously Quinn should have confidence in having the big contract that he just got being job security. Add in that Ruff always had some strong offenes, but not so good D's as a HC. Last season he ran the Rangers D, which looked absolutely lost and brutal. Maybe that was more AV's system and the team just giving up, but Ruff kinda has a track record of sub par D. Why not have him run the offense? LOL I hope this "touching base" is more about what to expect from certain players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 He?ll probably be the ?eye in the sky? coach. So he won?t be behind the bench at all, but in the press box watching the game and giving Quinn his perspective of the entire team?what Daryl Williams supposedly did. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveIn94 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Never saw Ruff as a D oriented coach, if he pushes our young guys toward offense in the early stages of the rebuild and gets more out of them that way, great. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 He?s there to take over in the event that Quinn is absolutely terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 He’s there to take over in the event that Quinn is absolutely terrible Don't think so. He would have taken over last season if Gorton loved him. Quinn and the Rangers said they'd have a coach or two with more experience on the bench for sure. Ruff is already there. He's kind of an easy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Don't think so. He would have taken over last season if Gorton loved him. Quinn and the Rangers said they'd have a coach or two with more experience on the bench for sure. Ruff is already there. He's kind of an easy choice. I was kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Why do most people have a bug in their ass with Ruff? He's a douche. He insisted that Michael Peca was his 1 C. Stuck with "favorites" on D. Only good seasons were from goalies being outstanding didnt develop any young players His names is "Lindy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 His names is "Lindy" A criminal offense imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 He's a douche. He insisted that Michael Peca was his 1 C. Stuck with "favorites" on D. Only good seasons were from goalies being outstanding didnt develop any young players His names is "Lindy" This and, most importantly to me, he was on the coaching staff for one of the worst Rangers seasons in recent times, including being (to a varying/debatable degree) responsible for the abysmal Rangers defense. So unless AV had him so tied down that he couldn't make any changes or he had some sort of revelation after the season, I don't get the move to keep him. I thought the point was to bring in fresh ideas and voices. How is having a holdover assistant from last year going to accomplish that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 He's a douche. He insisted that Michael Peca was his 1 C. Stuck with "favorites" on D. Only good seasons were from goalies being outstanding didnt develop any young players His names is "Lindy" That whole "didn't develop any young players" is false. It's been discussed before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 With Ruff? Who did he develop? Almost all his major talent pieces were established. Those crazy years in Buffalo... look at the age of Drury and Briere and the lot. They weren't kids. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 With Ruff? Who did he develop? Almost all his major talent pieces were established. Those crazy years in Buffalo... look at the age of Drury and Briere and the lot. They weren't kids. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Maxim Afinogenov Brian Campbell Dmitri Kalinin J.P. Dumont Tim Connolly Ales Kotalik Henrik Tallinder Jason Pominville Derek Roy Thomas Vanek Drew Stafford Andrej Sekera Tyler Ennis Tyler Myers All these players began their careers playing for Ruff in Buffalo at age 23 or younger the bolded players were the core of the 05/06 and 06/07 50 win teams. Over those 2 years, 6 of the top 9 point scores are in that list (Afinogenov, Vanek, Roy, Kotalik, Pominville, and Campbell). Tallinder and Campell were half of the top 4 D. They also made the playoffs in 09/10 and 10/11, after Drury and Briere left, lead by all of the above players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Afinogenov has one good season, and that was when the team was strong. Most of those players put up better numbers after they left Buffalo, or wound up in Europe shortly after. For a 20 year stretch, that’s a pretty weak list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Maxim Afinogenov Brian Campbell Dmitri Kalinin J.P. Dumont Tim Connolly Ales Kotalik Henrik Tallinder Jason Pominville Derek Roy Thomas Vanek Drew Stafford Andrej Sekera Tyler Ennis Tyler Myers All these players began their careers playing for Ruff in Buffalo at age 23 or younger the bolded players were the core of the 05/06 and 06/07 50 win teams. Over those 2 years, 6 of the top 9 point scores are in that list (Afinogenov, Vanek, Roy, Kotalik, Pominville, and Campbell). Tallinder and Campell were half of the top 4 D. They also made the playoffs in 09/10 and 10/11, after Drury and Briere left, lead by all of the above players. You're also leaving off Satan Zhitnik McKee Varada Gaustad Pyatt Curtis Brown Marty Biron Ryan Miller As well as the use of a super young Peca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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