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josh
06-18-2018, 12:59 PM
Likely available: Joel Farabee - I dont like his game. A floater, stays on the outside.
Dark horse:
Grigori Denisenko - skilled, but just something about him I dont like
Serron Noel - not seeing it.

Phil in Absentia
06-18-2018, 01:25 PM
That's projected to go near there? Farabee, Barrett Hayton, Bode Wilde.


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josh
06-18-2018, 01:26 PM
Yes.

I added the off the boards because the Rangers are known to do that. If they took Noel at 9, I'd flip shit. Porn everywhere. And not even good porn. Think you are clicking on a Noel thread? Nope - midgets.

Phil in Absentia
06-18-2018, 02:09 PM
Yeah, any of these reach players would be a huge mistake.


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Gravesy
06-18-2018, 02:11 PM
Kotkaniemi. We picked 2 c’s in the first round last year and traded for Howden. I’m all for BPA but that seems a bit excessive.

Phil in Absentia
06-18-2018, 02:19 PM
Kotkaniemi would be fine because you'd have a nice group of center prospects. Tons of value there.


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Gravesy
06-18-2018, 02:29 PM
Well, he would be fine.
But in all likelihood you’re looking at a pick from Kotkaniemi and 1 or 2 of the top d prospects, depending on whether Wahlstrom is still on the board.
Kotkaniemi is my last pick regardless of what happens in front of us.

Phil in Absentia
06-18-2018, 02:31 PM
What I mean is you can trade from that group to add as needed. Quality centers are the most valuable trade chip in the league, forward-wise.


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Gravesy
06-18-2018, 02:39 PM
That’s a valid point.
But I’m not leaving a Dobson, Bouchard, Wahlstrom or Boqvist on the board to pick Kotkaniemi.
I think there are BPA arguments for each of them, and that’s before considering our reasonable depth of c prospects.

Kevin
06-18-2018, 04:02 PM
Merkley. Although I have not really seen anything suggesting he'll go this high.

Pete
06-18-2018, 06:10 PM
A defenseman.

Gravesy
06-19-2018, 02:50 AM
Merkley. Although I have not really seen anything suggesting he'll go this high.

Yeah, that would be a crazy pick at 9. No need at all.
Pronman had him rated at 10 and picked in the 20’s I believe.

ThirtyONE
06-19-2018, 11:06 PM
Serron Noel.

I've seen his name listed for the Rangers on 2 or 3 different mock draft and I fucking hate it.

Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc
06-20-2018, 03:44 AM
Serron Noel.

I've seen his name listed for the Rangers on 2 or 3 different mock draft and I fucking hate it.

How typical Rangers wouldn't that be? I'd love the kid at #26, but hell no at #9.

Bugg
06-20-2018, 08:25 AM
A defenseman.

Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

Giacomin
06-20-2018, 10:49 AM
Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

Bugg, isn't BPA the best idea? What if Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Kot are gone?

Drafting for perceived need on a team that needs top talent over anything, is a mistake. Especially when experts are now almost unanimous that there is a drop around pick 11. Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes are far from JAGs, all projected top-pair. Any would vault to become our highest upside Dman. If the forwards are gone, two of them will be there to choose from. Plus Ty Smith is right behind this group and very promising. You'd rather reach for a lesser or riskier forward?

There is a theory that we reached for Lias over other higher upside prospects because he was viewed as more ready than those others. Again "need" drafting instead of BPA and it may have been a mistake based on how those prospects continue to impress. Many said it at the time and a redraft today would bear that out.

Drew a Penalty
06-20-2018, 10:52 AM
Bugg, isn't BPA the best idea? What if Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Kot are gone?

Kravtsov.

If Dobson or Hughes are left, I'd go for them. In all likelihood, neither will be.

Giacomin
06-20-2018, 11:42 AM
No doubt, he's a very interesting prospect! I'd love to trade up to grab Kratsov or Smith if either makes it to 15. Respect your opinion, but we shouldn't pass on a choice of 2 of the 4 dmen. Obviously, adamantly against trading back from 9 or any trade back really. For those who suggest it... we have plenty of picks.

Bugg
06-20-2018, 11:51 AM
Bugg, isn't BPA the best idea? What if Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Kot are gone?

Drafting for perceived need on a team that needs top talent over anything, is a mistake. Especially when experts are now almost unanimous that there is a drop around pick 11. Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes are far from JAGs, all projected top-pair. Any would vault to become our highest upside Dman. If the forwards are gone, two of them will be there to choose from. Plus Ty Smith is right behind this group and very promising. You'd rather reach for a lesser or riskier forward?

There is a theory that we reached for Lias over other higher upside prospects because he was viewed as more ready than those others. Again "need" drafting instead of BPA and it may have been a mistake based on how those prospects continue to impress. Many said it at the time and a redraft today would bear that out.

If there's a no brainer big time offensive D, fine. But There are only going to be 7 D on the roster at any given time, and only 4 of them getting the bulk of minutes. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk are going to lock down 3 of those slots, Smith or Staal (figure 1 or the other is gone) will be the 4, DeAngelo and 3 young guys will get a shot. Shattenkirk is the old man (assuming Staal is gone) at 28 with a long term contract. How much really is a young D going to play in the next 3 years?

Gravesy
06-20-2018, 12:59 PM
The D’s available to us at 9 are basically no brainers.
The only one with a small question mark for me is Boqvist, but he comes with a massive upside.

The wild card is whether Wahlstrom is there or not.

ThirtyONE
06-20-2018, 01:14 PM
People are going to be pissed if we take a Dman, but the Dmen available are very good and would become our best prospect in the system instantly. BPA. BPA. BPA. Keep it simple.

Giacomin
06-20-2018, 03:08 PM
The D’s available to us at 9 are basically no brainers.
The only one with a small question mark for me is Boqvist, but he comes with a massive upside.

The wild card is whether Wahlstrom is there or not.

It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.

lefty9
06-20-2018, 04:12 PM
That would be nice

Respecttheblue
06-20-2018, 05:30 PM
Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.

Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.
Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.
We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

Is this what we're looking at next year?

1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich
2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

That's not much of a future yet.

Who else?
Ty Ronning? Howden?

While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.
I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.
Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General


It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.

That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.

Bugg
06-20-2018, 08:15 PM
Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.
Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.
We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

Is this what we're looking at next year?

1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich
2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

That's not much of a future yet.

Who else?
Ty Ronning? Howden?

While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.
I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.
Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General



That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.

Meant Skjei, forgot about Rykov. But it kind of looks like enough defense and still not enough scoring up front. If there is a can't miss scoring defense, sure. But we need to develop our own scoring rather than trade for it as NYR have during this pas run.

JAG was Bill Parcells' description of an average player, roster filler, replacement value , Just Another Guy.

Pete
06-20-2018, 08:44 PM
If there's a no brainer big time offensive D, fine. But There are only going to be 7 D on the roster at any given time, and only 4 of them getting the bulk of minutes. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk are going to lock down 3 of those slots, Smith or Staal (figure 1 or the other is gone) will be the 4, DeAngelo and 3 young guys will get a shot. Shattenkirk is the old man (assuming Staal is gone) at 28 with a long term contract. How much really is a young D going to play in the next 3 years?It's highly unlikely that 5 of the first 9 picks are forwards so the point is moot. A forward will most likely be available at 9 and any D available will not make an immediate impact.

Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc
06-21-2018, 04:01 AM
Meant Skjei, forgot about Rykov. But it kind of looks like enough defense and still not enough scoring up front. If there is a can't miss scoring defense, sure. But we need to develop our own scoring rather than trade for it as NYR have during this pas run.

JAG was Bill Parcells' description of an average player, roster filler, replacement value , Just Another Guy.

None of them are A level prospects tho. If we pick a D at #9 he will be our best D prospect by far, and most likely the only one with a #1D potential.

If all the wingers are gone by the time we are on the clock we should go for a D (even ahead of Kotk).

RodrigueGabriel
06-21-2018, 06:59 AM
What I mean is you can trade from that group to add as needed. Quality centers are the most valuable trade chip in the league, forward-wise.


Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92212)Centers bring most value, followed by D-men. By the same rationale, if Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Zadina, and even Kotkaniemi are all gone, Rangers should not go casting about for a winger. Pick up the best D-man, upgrade the herd, and deal off extra prospects later. BPA, all the way!

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Giacomin
06-21-2018, 09:09 AM
Centers bring most value, followed by D-men. By the same rationale, if Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Zadina, and even Kotkaniemi are all gone, Rangers should not go casting about for a winger. Pick up the best D-man, upgrade the herd, and deal off extra prospects later. BPA, all the way!


:repped:

you, zuc, 31, me agree. No reaching, highest grade/upside on our board, w/o a red flag. It's not like we have a bunch of surefire top pair Dmen on the team or in the system anyway.

ThirtyONE
06-21-2018, 02:19 PM
Saw somewhere today that Rangers don't like Boqvist. I'm worried that if he's the player available they'll go off board... again.

RodrigueGabriel
06-21-2018, 06:18 PM
Saw somewhere today that Rangers don't like Boqvist. I'm worried that if he's the player available they'll go off board... again.I get that in the "new NHL," Boqvist is a prototype D-man: light and quick, probably real smart, too. But as I watched deeper and deeper into the playoffs, I saw a whole lot of the "old NHL" where the blue line corps needs to be 6'3", 220 cro-magnon men that have concussions for breakfast and don't particularly notice or mind if their little finger falls off.

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ThirtyONE
06-21-2018, 07:01 PM
I get that in the "new NHL," Boqvist is a prototype D-man: light and quick, probably real smart, too. But as I watched deeper and deeper into the playoffs, I saw a whole lot of the "old NHL" where the blue line corps needs to be 6'3", 220 cro-magnon men that have concussions for breakfast and don't particularly notice or mind if their little finger falls off.

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Of all the Dmen. Boqvist has slipped the most. If they don't like him I guess there must be a reason.

The Dude
06-21-2018, 08:28 PM
The size of some of these D men is a concern to me. Obviously not Bouchard or Dobson. This thought that they can handle bigger players at the level they play in now, will transfer to the pro game is wishful thinking.

josh
06-21-2018, 08:45 PM
The size of some of these D men is a concern to me. Obviously not Bouchard or Dobson. This thought that they can handle bigger players at the level they play in now, will transfer to the pro game is wishful thinking.

Certainly a concern. As Dunny has said, don’t need to draft Ryan Murray. For a few of these guys, they are projecting close to a ppg defender for several years, and if the defense is serviceable, that’s a good pick

lefty9
06-21-2018, 09:19 PM
As I am watching the NHL 2018 top 31 prospects , a lot f these dman remind me of a dman we already have , Anthony DeAngelo, I don't know of that is a good sign

The Dude
06-22-2018, 06:39 PM
As I am watching the NHL 2018 top 31 prospects , a lot f these dman remind me of a dman we already have , Anthony DeAngelo, I don't know of that is a good sign

Exactly what I fear with a lot of these kids.

Mr.wiskers
06-22-2018, 09:54 PM
I tell you who I wouldn’t take at 9—Kravtsov!


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Vodka Drunkenski
06-22-2018, 11:30 PM
Kravtsov

SaveByRichter35
06-23-2018, 08:07 AM
El oh el