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Respecttheblue
03-29-2018, 04:54 PM
Who will be the next Rangers Captain?

and so it heats up a little bit more with the speculation ... Forever Blueshirts seems to think Chris Kreider, and with his recent play I would agree he certainly has earned himself consideration. But there are other candidates ... Zuccarello comes to mind first ... and who knows who we acquire in free agency that has captaincy experience perhaps?

Yep, I think it is way premature to be jumping to conclusions.


That said, I'm guessing folks have their favorites ... As for CK, I don't see him as a player the burden of captaincy would ruin like it seems to have done for some other players. I think he has led the way very well this end of season, but I really don't know.

Aside from "it's way too premature to discuss" ... who do you like?




Chris Kreider should be the next captain of the New York Rangers. There, I said it. Yes, I am a huge Chris Kreider fan. I absolutely love his game, even if it is somewhat inconsistent at times (I could go on a LONG rant at how AV has limited his impact). However, I do not believe that my personal bias gets in the way of seeing this objectively.

https://foreverblueshirts.com/chris-kreider-will-be-the-next-captain-of-the-new-york-rangers/

As Justin mentioned in his article, the Rangers have a number of solid options for the next man to wear the “C” in New York. As such, I will not go into too much detail on their merits or lack thereof. If you would like a more in-depth analysis of the other candidates,
https://foreverblueshirts.com/who-will-be-the-next-new-york-rangers-captain/

josh
03-29-2018, 05:08 PM
Betting Andersson.

ThirtyONE
03-29-2018, 05:11 PM
I like Kreider. I think he's done a really nice job filling that role in the absence of Mac. His game has been good, his points up, but he seems to be talking on the bench. He's always available to the media with smart, well thought out answers. Realistically, I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but I've really liked him picking up the slack.

I don't think Zucc is a good fit. He's still a trade candidate and IMO he's been pretty negative in his post game comments. I get that he's frustrated but since the deadline he's called out his teammates for not being good enough. That's an ugly comment, even if true. A good leader should be building up, not cutting down younger players -- no matter their skill level.

Staal is an option. Longest tenured player aside from Hank. There have been good reports of him helping the kids.

Hank - I know it's not popular, but let's be honest, he is the leader of the team.

I don't know who's on the team next year but there are options. I also don't hate the idea of not having a captain and waiting to see who emerges mid season. Who ever the coach is should be able to build the captain and the alternates up -- not just give them the letter and hope it means something.

jsrangers
03-29-2018, 05:19 PM
I don't think we have one on the roster and not sure we would find one during the off season via free agency or trade. Zucc to me is a great guy, respected but I can't see him being anything more than a passive capt. Kreider I don't think has earned it either. He's always been pretty inconsistent and I just don't think he's looked at as a leader (capt). McD was a terrible mistake in my opinion far to passive rom all appearances. To me a capt is someone that not only leads by example on the ice but also someone not afraid to rip guys in the room. Someone with a aggressive demeanor who isn't worried about being friends but rather more focused on riding guys hard when needed. Zucc and Kreider to me appear to be friends first. Honestly don't see anyone deserving of being the capt here other than Hank but that's not allowed. So my vote is no "C" at this time or going into next season barring a major unforeseen addition. Staahl to me is way past his prime and again another guy that comes across like he barely has a pulse in his interviews. Stand up guy for sure but not in a position to lead imo because of his decline and demeanor.

mickey1935
03-29-2018, 08:34 PM
I don't think we have one on the roster and not sure we would find one during the off season via free agency or trade. Zucc to me is a great guy, respected but I can't see him being anything more than a passive capt. Kreider I don't think has earned it either. He's always been pretty inconsistent and I just don't think he's looked at as a leader (capt). McD was a terrible mistake in my opinion far to passive rom all appearances. To me a capt is someone that not only leads by example on the ice but also someone not afraid to rip guys in the room. Someone with a aggressive demeanor who isn't worried about being friends but rather more focused on riding guys hard when needed. Zucc and Kreider to me appear to be friends first. Honestly don't see anyone deserving of being the capt here other than Hank but that's not allowed. So my vote is no "C" at this time or going into next season barring a major unforeseen addition. Staahl to me is way past his prime and again another guy that comes across like he barely has a pulse in his interviews. Stand up guy for sure but not in a position to lead imo because of his decline and demeanor.


36 may get a shot if they don't trade him but 76 is my long term choice. This kid can do it all if he is handled correctly.

Pete
03-29-2018, 08:39 PM
Kreider should be traded at the draft. The next person to wear the C probably isn't on the team right now.

ThirtyONE
03-29-2018, 08:49 PM
Kreider should be traded at the draft. The next person to wear the C probably isn't on the team right now.

Not sure I agree with the former. The latter - very likely.

Puck Head
03-29-2018, 08:52 PM
Kreider should be traded at the draft. The next person to wear the C probably isn't on the team right now.

Why are we trading Kreider ?


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jsrangers
03-29-2018, 08:55 PM
Kreider I highly doubt is going anywhere nor should he. I agree the next capt isn't on this the roster. Heck no to 76 he's got enough issues trying to get his game back to where it was, he's been a part of the underwhelming results so far this season.

Pete
03-29-2018, 09:06 PM
Why are we trading Kreider ?


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ThirtyONE
03-29-2018, 09:13 PM
Because he'd get a haul. And he's never going to play to his potential.

Whats the difference between this logic and the logic to trade Skjei because he's not a top pair defender, which you were against?

A 50pt bull is never a bad thing. His contract is good and he's on the right side of 30. So long as we're not expecting him to be a 80pt player, you should be satisfied with what you're getting.

Kevin
03-29-2018, 09:14 PM
I think they go half a year without a captain and then name whoever it is that has taken the biggest leadership role from September-January. My $ would be on Kreider in that scenario.

Pete
03-29-2018, 09:22 PM
Whats the difference between this logic and the logic to trade Skjei because he's not a top pair defender, which you were against?

A 50pt bull is never a bad thing. His contract is good and he's on the right side of 30. So long as we're not expecting him to be a 80pt player, you should be satisfied with what you're getting.Because Skjei is about to turn 24 and Kreider just turned 27 and their contract situations and (likely) demands dictate different treatment.

josh
03-29-2018, 09:45 PM
I don’t think Kreider is captain material.

I don’t anticipate anymore trades from the core unless it’s an upgrade.

fletch
03-29-2018, 10:15 PM
agree with pete... next captain isn’t on roster yet. don’t see the right personality or assertiveness on the roster. lundqvist is probably closest but having goalie as captain is problematic because there are times where goalies have to separate and just focus on their game.

Mike
03-30-2018, 07:30 AM
agree with pete... next captain isn’t on roster yet. don’t see the right personality or assertiveness on the roster. lundqvist is probably closest but having goalie as captain is problematic because there are times where goalies have to separate and just focus on their game.

Goalies are not permitted to be captains.

lefty9
03-30-2018, 07:53 AM
We may not have the next captain on the roster yet, but the closest player we have is Kreider,I would not have a pro lem with him being name captain

Pete
03-30-2018, 07:56 AM
I don’t think Kreider is captain material.

I don’t anticipate anymore trades from the core unless it’s an upgrade.Agree on Krieder. Guy disappears for dozens of games at a time. Have to bring it every night to wear a C in NYC.

fletch
03-30-2018, 07:59 AM
Goalies are not permitted to be captains.

mostly true

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/63707-robert-luongo-becomes-sixth-goalie-captain-in-nhl-history

Mike
03-30-2018, 08:24 AM
mostly true

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/63707-robert-luongo-becomes-sixth-goalie-captain-in-nhl-history

Yes, I know the history. It’s not permitted on ice. It’s a dumb idea. It’s a dumber idea to name Hank an off ice captain. At this point does he really need that title to be a leader in the room?

fletch
03-30-2018, 08:25 AM
I just thought that it was ironic, of all goalies, Luongo, given how things ended in Vancouver.

RJWantsTheCup
03-30-2018, 08:28 AM
Unless they pull off a major trade or sign a big free agent I think Staal is going to be the captain next season.

jsrangers
03-30-2018, 10:04 AM
There's no mandate that someone wears the C, Staal at this point in his career isn't anywhere near captain material. If you're going to rebuild finding a way out of his contract is probably more likely. Just go with three guys wearing A's and even rotate them if they want. The Devils look foolish with their version of Staal wearing the C when Hall is an mvp candidate and Greene's game is shit.



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RJWantsTheCup
03-30-2018, 10:28 AM
I should've noted I don't think Staal should get the captaincy, just a gut feeling tells me that's what they are going to do.

NYRanger11
03-30-2018, 10:39 AM
No captain for next year. Keep going with 3 A's. Staal/Zucc as long as they're here and Kreider.

So Nashty
03-30-2018, 10:58 AM
Kreider should be traded at the draft. The next person to wear the C probably isn't on the team right now.

bingo.

Kreider is too inconsistent. If the right deal comes along I would absolutely trade him.

I'd give Zucc the C over Kreider and I dont think Zucc is a clear cut captain either.

Go with 3 A's like in the last rebuild and let someone step into the role naturally.

Puck Head
03-30-2018, 11:39 AM
Because Skjei is about to turn 24 and Kreider just turned 27 and their contract situations and (likely) demands dictate different treatment.

I think Kreider is still 26


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Pete
03-30-2018, 11:56 AM
I think Kreider is still 26


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Puck Head
03-30-2018, 12:29 PM
Yea you're right. 27 next month. Which changes nothing lol.

We share a bday,.....don’t fuck with my Kreider fandom


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Pete
03-30-2018, 12:51 PM
Yea but you're like 40 years old.....er than he is...

Ozzy
03-30-2018, 01:05 PM
I think we need a guy like Lindgren to be Captain...and like Pete said, he's not on the team just yet.

Gravesy
03-30-2018, 01:35 PM
If you believe McKenzie we’re looking to pull of a couple of big ones in the summer.
Seems fair to assume the C isn’t here atm. Certainly can’t see a stand out candidate on the current roster.
Without getting into the Staal argument I really don’t like him as captain.

Puck Head
03-30-2018, 03:27 PM
Tavares


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ThirtyONE
03-30-2018, 03:31 PM
Tavares


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Is he even a good captain? The islanders have sucked the whole time he's been there.

Puck Head
03-30-2018, 03:33 PM
Is he even a good captain? The islanders have sucked the whole time he's been there.

He handles himself well on and off the ice.
And i can’t think of anyone the last 10 years who’s elevated teammates up like him on the ice.

Tavares would be the best ranger we’ve had skating out since Jagr


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ThirtyONE
03-30-2018, 04:00 PM
He handles himself well on and off the ice.
And i can’t think of anyone the last 10 years who’s elevated teammates up like him on the ice.

Tavares would be the best ranger we’ve had skating out since Jagr


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I don't doubt that he's skilled. That doesn't mean he should get a letter. Your captain isn't just your "best player" although that's what teams seem to be doing these days. How a 19 year old can get a letter let alone a "C" makes no sense to me. I don't know. He's been in the middle of shitty situation for such a long time, if he came here it would be my opinion that he shouldn't have the burden of a letter.

jsrangers
03-30-2018, 06:37 PM
He handles himself well on and off the ice.
And i can’t think of anyone the last 10 years who’s elevated teammates up like him on the ice.

Tavares would be the best ranger we’ve had skating out since Jagr


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Really??

Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos....

Puck Head
03-30-2018, 07:30 PM
Really??

Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos....

Crosby no....he’s better..but doesn’t elevate linemates.

Mcdavid hasn’t been around long enough

Stamkos perhaps


It’s been almost a joke with Tavares linemates putting up huge numbers with him and bolting for free agency only to fail.


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Pete
03-30-2018, 07:51 PM
Crosby no....he’s better..but doesn’t elevate linemates.

Mcdavid hasn’t been around long enough

Stamkos perhaps


It’s been almost a joke with Tavares linemates putting up huge numbers with him and bolting for free agency only to fail.


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jsrangers
03-30-2018, 07:57 PM
agree to disagree, not sure how you discount Crosby not elevating others. Tavares is the shiny toy that maybe dangling out there and I think that's the draw. He hasn't even carried himself since the end of Oct he's only avg 4.4 goals a month - that's pathetic. Hopefully he signs an outrageous 8 year deal to stay where he is.

Mike
03-30-2018, 08:06 PM
agree to disagree, not sure how you discount Crosby not elevating others. Tavares is the shiny toy that maybe dangling out there and I think that's the draw. He hasn't even carried himself since the end of Oct he's only avg 4.4 goals a month - that's pathetic. Hopefully he signs an outrageous 8 years deal to stay where he is.

What kind of stat is that? He has 80 fuckin points since October.

Phil in Absentia
03-30-2018, 08:18 PM
Tavares


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Knowing the Rangers? Thornton.


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Puck Head
03-30-2018, 08:21 PM
Crosby...Kunitz...Dupuis...

Pete,
You’ve argued for years that Crosby doesn’t elevate his linemates


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Puck Head
03-30-2018, 08:30 PM
agree to disagree, not sure how you discount Crosby not elevating others. Tavares is the shiny toy that maybe dangling out there and I think that's the draw. He hasn't even carried himself since the end of Oct he's only avg 4.4 goals a month - that's pathetic. Hopefully he signs an outrageous 8 year deal to stay where he is.

Whoa, i think Crosby is the best in the game
And DOES elevate linemates

But Tavares has been taking bottom 6 wingers and making them multi millionaires

Matt Moulson, Kyle Okposo, PA Parenteau..
These guys are making 5-6 million a year (going off memory) after having stats inflated with Tavares.

All the elite centerman do this, and a few of them do more individually...but Tavares has had shit surrounding him for years


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Shane Falco
03-30-2018, 09:32 PM
Whoa, i think Crosby is the best in the game
And DOES elevate linemates

But Tavares has been taking bottom 6 wingers and making them multi millionaires

Matt Moulson, Kyle Okposo, PA Parenteau..
These guys are making 5-6 million a year (going off memory) after having stats inflated with Tavares.

All the elite centerman do this, and a few of them do more individually...but Tavares has had shit surrounding him for years


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:repped:

Pete
03-30-2018, 09:49 PM
Pete,
You’ve argued for years that Crosby doesn’t elevate his linemates


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Puck Head
03-30-2018, 09:53 PM
And you've argued Dubinsky was a #1 center. Times change.

How’s del Zotto doing


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Mike
03-30-2018, 10:01 PM
How’s del Zotto doing


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Ask Prucha :bravery:

Pete
03-30-2018, 10:12 PM
How’s del Zotto doing


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Mike
03-30-2018, 10:21 PM
Better than you.
:rofl: Not so sure about that, but still .... :rofl:

Sod16
03-31-2018, 01:40 AM
I do think we should have a captain rather than just some assistants. We should wait until the dust clears on the roster at the end of training camp before choosing one. I think Kreider should be a serious candidate. He has a bigger more outgoing personality than McD, and I think being captain might help to keep him focused and perhaps cut down on his dry spells. He's arguably the most intelligent and thoughtful player on the team. With several Ruskies on the team and more probably on the way, his language skills and ability to contact with those guys could be a real plus.

Mike
03-31-2018, 09:03 AM
Here’s the thing with guessing who should get letters, we can’t base it off how a guy gives an interview on tv or what WE think his personality is. There’s limited to 0 knowledge as to what goes on in any locker room and who would be a good fit for a “C” or even an alternate. Different teams have different personalities and you need to find the right guy(s) that fit that personality. Not sure where people get the idea that a guy with a letter needs to be an in your face guy on or off the ice. Try that regularly with 19 guys in a locker room and chances are it will divide the group. People complained about McD because he was too quiet, 1. How the fuck do you know he was quiet? 2. He’s everything a leader should be by his attitude and effort every shift. He lead by example. It’s not about the loudest guy, the best producing guy, the most popular guy. Letters don’t get handed out that way.

How surprised was everyone when the video came out of Girardi reading the starting line up in the Winter Classic?

What about St. Louis sounding off the line up before a playoff game?

torontonyr
03-31-2018, 09:40 AM
Hot take:

Rick Nash

jsrangers
03-31-2018, 10:22 AM
What kind of stat is that? He has 80 fuckin points since October.

Barely top 20 in the league and only 23 points less than McDavid who's how many years younger and on a garbage team as well?

Pete
03-31-2018, 11:09 AM
That's amazing, really, barely top 20 in the league and only 23 points less than McDavid who's how many years younger and on a garbage team as well?Trolling?

He's in top 10 for centerman in points and goals.

You're comparing him to a guy who's a generational talent in McDavid to a top 10 player in his position and shitting on him for not being the best...Like saying that Mike Bossy sucked because he didn't score as many points as Gretzky who was 4 years younger the year Gretz scored 215 points.

I don't know what kind of obsucre point you're trying to make with the 4.5 goals a month after October, but that still averages out to 27 goals over a season, which would still put him in the top 20 for centers. But right now he's got 35...So why get creative with the math?

I'm not making a case for or against signing the guy, but if you're saying he doesn't make the players around him better, then Anders Lee, Josh Bailey and Matt Moulson would like a word.

Phil in Absentia
03-31-2018, 11:22 AM
Here’s the thing with guessing who should get letters, we can’t base it off how a guy gives an interview on tv or what WE think his personality is. There’s limited to 0 knowledge as to what goes on in any locker room and who would be a good fit for a “C” or even an alternate. Different teams have different personalities and you need to find the right guy(s) that fit that personality. Not sure where people get the idea that a guy with a letter needs to be an in your face guy on or off the ice. Try that regularly with 19 guys in a locker room and chances are it will divide the group. People complained about McD because he was too quiet, 1. How the fuck do you know he was quiet? 2. He’s everything a leader should be by his attitude and effort every shift. He lead by example. It’s not about the loudest guy, the best producing guy, the most popular guy. Letters don’t get handed out that way.

How surprised was everyone when the video came out of Girardi reading the starting line up in the Winter Classic?

What about St. Louis sounding off the line up before a playoff game?

This.


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Mike
03-31-2018, 11:29 AM
Barely top 20 in the league and only 23 points less than McDavid who's how many years younger and on a garbage team as well?

Barely in the top 20. Lol. No, you’re right, he’s 16th and only 5 points ahead from the 21st spot. Oh, he’s also only 5 pts behind the 10th spot, Phil Kessel, who plays on a line with that scrub Malkin and on the pp with that Crosby fellow.

The Dude
03-31-2018, 12:46 PM
agree to disagree, not sure how you discount Crosby not elevating others. Tavares is the shiny toy that maybe dangling out there and I think that's the draw. He hasn't even carried himself since the end of Oct he's only avg 4.4 goals a month - that's pathetic. Hopefully he signs an outrageous 8 year deal to stay where he is.

No need for such a player here.. ONLY 4.4 goals a month? No need for a 30+ goal scorer who puts up another 40-50 points in assists. How is that pathetic? Hes 7 goals behind McDavid in the 5 spot, and 5 goals behind his linemate in the 7th spot...

This guy is putting assist totals that are almost equal to most Rangers total points leaders in the last few years.

The draw is a top 10-15 offensive player in his prime. Something the Rangers have not had in many many years, nor will they have in many many years. Hes a generational talent that is available to them at the cost of nothing but money, which they will have.

BrooklynBoy89
04-01-2018, 07:22 PM
No need for such a player here.. ONLY 4.4 goals a month? No need for a 30+ goal scorer who puts up another 40-50 points in assists. How is that pathetic? Hes 7 goals behind McDavid in the 5 spot, and 5 goals behind his linemate in the 7th spot...

This guy is putting assist totals that are almost equal to most Rangers total points leaders in the last few years.

The draw is a top 10-15 offensive player in his prime. Something the Rangers have not had in many many years, nor will they have in many many years. Hes a generational talent that is available to them at the cost of nothing but money, which they will have.

This.

Sign him and be done with it. We NEED him, especially if we want to compete right away, IMO.

jsrangers
04-02-2018, 04:42 PM
no way he comes here imo, nor does he leave the Islanders, he was quoted earlier today he's looking forward to seeing Barzal finish the season and also looking forward towards the future. Barzal has just two less points than JT.

Long live the King
04-02-2018, 04:53 PM
“His game keeps getting better and he’s just scratching the surface,” Tavares said. “There’s a lot of excitement in our group for him. Especially a guy with his talent and his drive to be successful, I’m excited to finish the season with him and looking forward to the future.”

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/john-tavares-on-mathew-barzal-looking-forward-to-the-future-1.17831403

To me that reads like, "I'm excited to watch this kid play three more games, and can't wait to to sign somewhere else and play some playoff hockey."

4EverRangerFrank
04-04-2018, 12:47 AM
Read somewhere on Twitter about Fast being a good choice. IDK about that. He too, seems a bit quiet for me.

Agree that our C is not currently in the team. Make 3 A’s next season and let things shake out

phillyb™
04-04-2018, 04:03 AM
I think JT re-signs in BK, a la Stamkos. With Barzal’s emergence and the rest of the offense playing well, they might think they’rea FA signing and trade away from being true contenders. Goalie? Idk. Their D? Idk.
But I think JT sticks it out another year or two after signing a fair deal. Then they tradd him.

NYR captain? No clue. We don’t know these guys in the locker room. Mikey hit the nail on the head with his post.