Rangers1994 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Would the Rangers have won another cup had Keenan stayed beyond 1994? I probably think so. But I would like to hear other POVs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Probably not. Keenan and Smith couldn’t co-exist. Thats what did them in to begin with. Keenan had been HC and GM in Chicago. He left there because in 92-93, the Blackhawks had a young assistant on their staff named Darryl Sutter. They were starting to get calls on Sutter. Teams were wanting to interview and hire him. Old Man “Dollar Bill” Wirtz didn’t want to lose him. So he forced Keenan out from behind the bench and into the GM role exclusively. This was after Keenan had had tremendous success in 4 seasons in Chicago. 2 Division titles. 1 SC Final 1 President’s Trophy plus another trip to the Western Conference finals Keenan was a control freak who wanted the final word on everything related to the hockey team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 The team had already tired of him. At one point Messier wouldn't allow him in the room between periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Bigger problem was hiring Colin Campbell to replace him. Not saying I have a candidate in the summer of 1994 thatw as worlds better, only that Campbell sucked. Also trading Zubov, shortly thereafter, unbelievably stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers1994 Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, Bugg said: Bigger problem was hiring Colin Campbell to replace him. Not saying I have a candidate in the summer of 1994 thatw as worlds better, only that Campbell sucked. Also trading Zubov, shortly thereafter, unbelievably stupid. Yep. They should have kept Zubov. They probably should have given Nedved a full year after the lockout unless Smith had traded him for Gretzky or Nieuwendyk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) If you really wanna harken back… do this… Imagine they got Lindros in 92? Or… Imagine they had traded for the #2 pick in 93 Draft to take Pronger. They actually made those inroads and supposedly Brian Burke and Neil Smith had a deal Burke liked, but it included potential pieces that Smith didn’t want to move. Look at the roster in those days after those deals. That’s a fun conversation Edited June 16 by RangersIn7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I look back to 92 thats where it all fell apart. That core should have won 2-3 Cups.. instead they traded all the youth for guys with little tread left on the tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) The Rangers often seem to acquire over-30's vets as solutions to open problems. This better work year 1 because most of the time we're unhappy year 2. Edit: Messier of course was the exception to the rule. Rangers won in his 3rd season after taking a big step back in his 2nd (Leetch injury.) Edited June 16 by Br4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers1994 Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 On 6/15/2024 at 9:28 PM, RangersIn7 said: If you really wanna harken back… do this… Imagine they got Lindros in 92? Or… Imagine they had traded for the #2 pick in 93 Draft to take Pronger. They actually made those inroads and supposedly Brian Burke and Neil Smith had a deal Burke liked, but it included potential pieces that Smith didn’t want to move. Look at the roster in those days after those deals. That’s a fun conversation What were the Rangers offering in exchange for #2 in 1993? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, Rangers1994 said: What were the Rangers offering in exchange for #2 in 1993? The deal fell apart because Burke wanted Mike Richter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers1994 Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 On 6/16/2024 at 5:26 PM, Flynn said: I look back to 92 thats where it all fell apart. That core should have won 2-3 Cups.. instead they traded all the youth for guys with little tread left on the tires. Factors that interfered with that possibility 1) The Messier Neilson feud 2) The Dilemma of keeping both Richter and Vanbiesbrouck. One of them had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 hours ago, Rangers1994 said: Factors that interfered with that possibility 1) The Messier Neilson feud 2) The Dilemma of keeping both Richter and Vanbiesbrouck. One of them had to go. All true- 1) However win in 92 and perhaps the Messier-Rog feud loses its teeth- or at the very least you don't need to turn to Keenan to break a curse that's been broken already. Messier powerplay is fine, but it doesn't create the desperation we see in 94. 2) Win in 92 and you can move Beezer earlier- for a better return than Doug fucking Lidster I just wonder what happens with Doug Weight, Tony Amonte.. Even though old- Mike Gartner (trading him for the corpse of Glenn Anderson still makes me shake my head) had 92 worked. You don't need to trade for Larmer.. Its a much younger core. Falling apart like a 2 dollar lawn chair against Pitt.. Man- what if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Definitely kind of a miss-timed thing for the Rangers too. Great teams then, but unfortunately, so was Pittsburgh. If it wasn't for them, they probably win in 1992. They were pretty damn good in 1996 was well, before losing to Pittsburgh yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I hate how much we have to talk about 1994. This is a loser franchise. Fucking annoying Please win a Cup before I die 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: I hate how much we have to talk about 1994. This is a loser franchise. Fucking annoying Please win a Cup before I die It's the worst. It also didn't help with all of the 'parallels' that happened this year compared to what happened then. We had to hear about it even more. lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I had just turned 21 before the parade in 94- Now I'm 51 and goddamn that seems a lifetime ago. Fuck you Sam Rosen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 minutes ago, Flynn said: I had just turned 21 before the parade in 94- Now I'm 51 and goddamn that seems a lifetime ago. Fuck you Sam Rosen We were hoping that Sam didn't mean that literally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Flynn said: All true- 1) However win in 92 and perhaps the Messier-Rog feud loses its teeth- or at the very least you don't need to turn to Keenan to break a curse that's been broken already. Messier powerplay is fine, but it doesn't create the desperation we see in 94. 2) Win in 92 and you can move Beezer earlier- for a better return than Doug fucking Lidster I just wonder what happens with Doug Weight, Tony Amonte.. Even though old- Mike Gartner (trading him for the corpse of Glenn Anderson still makes me shake my head) had 92 worked. You don't need to trade for Larmer.. Its a much younger core. Falling apart like a 2 dollar lawn chair against Pitt.. Man- what if. The 1992 floater Richter gave up; have never heard a crowd go from screaming their heads off to dead silent in one moment like that. Richter had a very good run between 1994 and the 1995 World Cup. But that's kind of it; 2-3 yeart span he was superior, and otherwise, above average. That's why I've never seen him as a HoFer. You can't give up a shit goal like that, just can't. Suspect had they kept Beezer, not much of a change. Rumored Messier hated Gartner because when they were teammates in the WHA, Gartner wasn't very nice to him when he was a rookie. Understanding is they may not be pals but they've patched things up. Didn't see Anderson as an upgrade, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: I hate how much we have to talk about 1994. This is a loser franchise. Fucking annoying Please win a Cup before I die M$G sells the 1994 nostalgia waaayyyy too much. Reminding us all that they've not gotten the job done for 30 years since. That's MSG management. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, Bugg said: The 1992 floater Richter gave up; have never heard a crowd go from screaming their heads off to dead silent in one moment like that. Richter had a very good run between 1994 and the 1995 World Cup. But that's kind of it; 2-3 yeart span he was superior, and otherwise, above average. That's why I've never seen him as a HoFer. You can't give up a shit goal like that, just can't. Suspect had they kept Beezer, not much of a change. Rumored Messier hated Gartner because when they were teammates in the WHA, Gartner wasn't very nice to him when he was a rookie. Understanding is they may not be pals but they've patched things up. Didn't see Anderson as an upgrade, at all. Richter was great in '97 as well. Fantastic in the postseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 33 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Richter was great in '97 as well. Fantastic in the postseason. Yeah Richter was very good for them over a 4-5 s season stretch. Then he had the knee injury and the concussions as the team was getting ready bad in front of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: We were hoping that Sam didn't mean that literally. i wonder if Sam is getting death threats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Why are we still talking about 1994?? Oh that's right...it's summer! ....carry on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Definitely kind of a miss-timed thing for the Rangers too. Great teams then, but unfortunately, so was Pittsburgh. If it wasn't for them, they probably win in 1992. They were pretty damn good in 1996 was well, before losing to Pittsburgh yet again. Turning point of the series was Graves slash on Lemieux, Graves got a 5 game suspension and Lemieux miraculously healed by the next game. Graves was made out to be the gooniest of goons. Who the F gets suspended 5 games in the playoffs? Same play happens now its a 2:00 penalty, if its even called at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: Turning point of the series was Graves slash on Lemieux, Graves got a 5 game suspension and Lemieux miraculously healed by the next game. Graves was made out to be the gooniest of goons. Who the F gets suspended 5 games in the playoffs? Same play happens now its a 2:00 penalty, if its even called at all. what do you expect from the NHL and its darling Shittsburgh Penguins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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