Pete Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 45 minutes ago, Phil said: Yes, but "people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your scenario for those offended by rainbows. There were like what, four players in the 600+ player league who refused to participate? Four that we know about. How many more that never wanted to do it in the first place, but they just didn't want to make waves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/326142322/binary-file/file.pdf Quote 10.1 Player’s Stick – (see 10.2 for goalkeeper) The sticks shall be made of wood or other material approved by the League, and must not have any projections. Adhesive tape of any color may be wrapped around the stick at any place for the purpose of reinforcement or to improve control of the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 14 hours ago, Pete said: Four that we know about. How many more that never wanted to do it in the first place, but they just didn't want to make waves? More, for sure, but it still seems silly to go to this length if you're the NHL. The simplest solution is almost always the correct one. Teams are allowed to back whatever causes they want. Players can choose to participate or not. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Phil said: More, for sure, but it still seems silly to go to this length if you're the NHL. The simplest solution is almost always the correct one. Teams are allowed to back whatever causes they want. Players can choose to participate or not. Done. I don't necessarily disagree except for the fact that when you're an employee of a team, you have to abide by that team's rules regarding how you show that support when you're on their time. What you do on your own time is your own business, what you do on the ice is something else. I also think what's getting lost here is that the NHL said something different than what the media spun it into. The NHL actually said that they don't want players using any kind of tape, so that probably means camouflage tape on military night as well. But of course the media picked up and ran with the pride narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Pete said: I don't necessarily disagree except for the fact that when you're an employee of a team, you have to abide by that team's rules regarding how you show that support when you're on their time. What you do on your own time is your own business, what you do on the ice is something else. I also think what's getting lost here is that the NHL said something different than what the media spun it into. The NHL actually said that they don't want players using any kind of tape, so that probably means camouflage tape on military night as well. But of course the media picked up and ran with the pride narrative. 100%. That's actually exactly the case, which is why you've probably seen a lot of headline corrections. And I totally get your first paragraph. I just think they went a little overboard when an easier, much more pragmatic solution was there. Just let teams do what they want. Then the heat's on them. Not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Phil said: And I totally get your first paragraph. I just think they went a little overboard when an easier, much more pragmatic solution was there. Just let teams do what they want. Then the heat's on them. Not you. Agree. No reason for league to weigh in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I mean it's technically the truth to say this wasn't specifically about the pride tape, or pride night celebrations that teams were doing but it doesn't take any huge mental leaps to get where this all stemmed from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: I mean it's technically the truth to say this wasn't specifically about the pride tape, or pride night celebrations that teams were doing but it doesn't take any huge mental leaps to get where this all stemmed from. Right. It was the primary target, in a sense. The league cancelled all "special initiatives" to give the appearance of being fair and balanced, but the initiatives themselves aren't of equal weight/footing/importance, so you're not wrong at all to suggest this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: I mean it's technically the truth to say this wasn't specifically about the pride tape, or pride night celebrations that teams were doing but it doesn't take any huge mental leaps to get where this all stemmed from. Yes but where you see the NHL being anti LGBTQ+, I see them saying they're not going to fuck around with support for any group. And I don't see a problem with that. It's stemmed from an issue around pride, but the NHL decided to remove support for all groups... But that wasn't the narrative. I don't think there's anything wrong with telling the players that they can support whatever groups they want, but when they're on the ice it's about hockey and not politics. Now we can argue that this shouldn't be a political conversation, however we know it all is. Edited October 12, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I never said they were anti-LGBTQ. just that they're stupid. in many many ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: I never said they were anti-LGBTQ. just that they're stupid. in many many ways Oh my bad, I thought you were implying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 6 hours ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: I mean it's technically the truth to say this wasn't specifically about the pride tape, or pride night celebrations that teams were doing but it doesn't take any huge mental leaps to get where this all stemmed from. 6 hours ago, Phil said: Right. It was the primary target, in a sense. The league cancelled all "special initiatives" to give the appearance of being fair and balanced, but the initiatives themselves aren't of equal weight/footing/importance, so you're not wrong at all to suggest this. Yes, this is true, but the only reason it got talked about was because the media decided to put it front and center to chastise those who opted not to partake. Whether they did so because they cared, or did so because they knew it’d generate clicks and views…maybe a mix of both. Either way, the obsession to force things is never the answer. It was a real slim minority who cared enough to not even participate, but like the media has to do and so desperately craves, they need everyone to bend the knee. An overwhelming majority isn’t good enough. Sigh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Did anyone use Pride/ camo/ First responder tape last season? I don't remember this even being a thing. Edited October 12, 2023 by The Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Yes, this is true, but the only reason it got talked about was because the media decided to put it front and center to chastise those who opted not to partake. Whether they did so because they cared, or did so because they knew it’d generate clicks and views…maybe a mix of both. Either way, the obsession to force things is never the answer. It was a real slim minority who cared enough to not even participate, but like the media has to do and so desperately craves, they need everyone to bend the knee. An overwhelming majority isn’t good enough. Sigh. Cancel culture polarizes people and results in views/clicks. Can't blame for NHL for trying to side step that and putting an end to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Coyotes Travis Dermott used pride tape during last nights game, let's see what the NHL does about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Oh god, this is such a shit show lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 A win for the players that want to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 I mean, again, it was stupid to begin with. The simplest solution is often the correct one: let players participate who want to participate. Those who don't don't need to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I'd continue to say that I think players not participating in Pride night celebrations is a bad thing and I would definitely favor shaming them for it. With that said, I would hate it if players were forced to participate in other types of events that I may disagree with (nothing comes to mind but speaking more generally) so I'm fine with a 'participate if you want to' thing. The NHL just can never stay out of their own way though. Greatest sport, dumbest league.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 *Cringe-worthy* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Cringe worthy, but also I can always respect people making themselves look stupid in service of doing the right thing, and in this case, the league did that. So -1 for taking the dumb position in the first place, but +2 for realizing that was wrong and then reversing that position afterward, which is harder than doing the right thing to begin with. World would be a better place if more people and organizations did that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The translation I get from it is: "Alright, we fucked this all up, and should've just left it alone. Ok, coffee break over!!! ...back on your heads!!" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Edit - Forget it...its just not worth it Edited October 25, 2023 by SaveByRichter35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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