BrooksBurner Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Terrible trade for the Islanders imo. They are closer to rebuilding than being serious contenders. Trading a promising young player and a 1st is very ill advised for an aging bubble team. The 1st is top 12 protected and they better hope it transfers because otherwise it slides to 2024 and goes unprotected to Vancouver. If the Isles are picking top 12 this year then they are trending the wrong direction and that ‘24 1st becomes critical…and they won’t have it. It’s a really wreckless trade by the Islanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Terrible trade for the Islanders imo. They are closer to rebuilding than being serious contenders. Trading a promising young player and a 1st is very ill advised for an aging bubble team. The 1st is top 12 protected and they better hope it transfers because otherwise it slides to 2024 and goes unprotected to Vancouver. If the Isles are picking top 12 this year then they are trending the wrong direction and that ‘24 1st becomes critical…and they won’t have it. It’s a really wreckless trade by the Islanders. If you just looked at it on paper, this is not at all the case. There's a lot of people who think VAN didn't get enough for Horvat. If it works out and they make the playoffs, then it works out. Top 12 protected is basically saying you only get the 1st if we make the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs because Horvat doesn't work out, the Isles can probably get more than they gave for him. If it does work out, they can choose to resign Horvat because even if you're rebuilding you need leadership which Horvat has in spades. And is a team with Sorokin, Horvat, Barzal, Pelech, Pulock ever going to truly be rebuilding? They're going to be competitive, not tanking. So on paper this is probably fine. Where it gets tricky is, does Lou actually know when his team is cooked anymore? Will he trade Horvat at the deadline if he's on the bubble, going in 2-4-4 L10 or something like that? The deal can be fine for the Islanders, and Lou I'd guess is a year or 2 away from the axe anyway. But it's far from terrible or wreckless as long as they are smart with the big picture. Edited January 31, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pete said: If you just looked at it on paper, this is not at all the case. There's a lot of people who think VAN didn't get enough for Horvat. If it works out and they make the playoffs, then it works out. Top 12 protected is basically saying you only get the 1st if we make the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs because Horvat doesn't work out, the Isles can probably get more than they gave for him. If it does work out, they can choose to resign Horvat because even if you're rebuilding you need leadership which Horvat has in spades. And is a team with Sorokin, Horvat, Barzal, Pelech, Pulock ever going to truly be rebuilding? They're going to be competitive, not tanking. So on paper this is probably fine. Where it gets tricky is, does Lou actually know when his team is cooked anymore? Will he trade Horvat at the deadline if he's on the bubble, going in 2-4-4 L10 or something like that? The deal can be fine for the Islanders, and Lou I'd guess is a year or 2 away from the axe anyway. But it's far from terrible or wreckless as long as they are smart with the big picture. They aren't getting as much as they gave for Horvat because if they trade Horvat it means they have fallen out of the playoffs and are probably slated to be picking top 12 in the draft, which means they will transfer their 2024 1st unprotected. Sure, they might be able to mitigate the loss so they aren't left with nothing, but they won't get unprotected 1st value. Not a chance. It'll be like trading Brooks for Carpiniello as your main source for Rangers content. Significant downgrade. Significant. All for an outside chance to be a bubble team getting bounced by the Bruins or Hurricanes in R1. They'll probably have to pay Horvat like 9 per to get him to ink before UFA, and if he hits UFA it's pretty doubtful he's picking the Islanders. I'd find it pretty shocking, but hey, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: They aren't getting as much as they gave for Horvat because if they trade Horvat it means they have fallen out of the playoffs and are probably slated to be picking top 12 in the draft, which means they will transfer their 2024 1st unprotected. Sure, they might be able to mitigate the loss so they aren't left with nothing, but they won't get unprotected 1st value. Not a chance. It'll be like trading Brooks for Carpiniello as your main source for Rangers content. Significant downgrade. Significant. All for an outside chance to be a bubble team getting bounced by the Bruins or Hurricanes in R1. They'll probably have to pay Horvat like 9 per to get him to ink before UFA, and if he hits UFA it's pretty doubtful he's picking the Islanders. I'd find it pretty shocking, but hey, you never know. It will be better for them to recoup a 2024 first then it will for them to ask for a 2023 first from a playoff team. I'm not really concerned with lottery protection next season. They're not in a position where they're thinking about it that quickly because their current roster will keep them on the playoff bubble. Edited January 31, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bugg Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 A move they pretty much had to make in a Hail Mary. Isles are in very real danger of dropping out of the playoffs. Have occasionally watched their games. The announcers never failed to poormouth Beauvilier. That doesn't happen with Lamariello unless he was telling them to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 This is a good trade for them. I like Beauviler, but he is what he is at the point. A 15-goal, 35-40 point, middle-6 winger. If he finds more to his game, fine. But it doesn’t appear as though he was finding it on the Island. And he’s pretty expensive for that level of production. Raty is a good prospect. But not a great one. And a protected 1st rounder is not too terrible to give up. They get Horvat, who is top-10 in the league in goals right now, and they desperately need offense. As for re-flipping him if things don’t go well… it’s possible. I am having trouble remembering an instance of that having happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 56 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: This is a good trade for them. I like Beauviler, but he is what he is at the point. A 15-goal, 35-40 point, middle-6 winger. If he finds more to his game, fine. But it doesn’t appear as though he was finding it on the Island. And he’s pretty expensive for that level of production. Raty is a good prospect. But not a great one. And a protected 1st rounder is not too terrible to give up. They get Horvat, who is top-10 in the league in goals right now, and they desperately need offense. As for re-flipping him if things don’t go well… it’s possible. I am having trouble remembering an instance of that having happened. Vanek. Buffalo to Ilses to Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 42 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: This is a good trade for them. I like Beauviler, but he is what he is at the point. A 15-goal, 35-40 point, middle-6 winger. If he finds more to his game, fine. But it doesn’t appear as though he was finding it on the Island. And he’s pretty expensive for that level of production. Raty is a good prospect. But not a great one. And a protected 1st rounder is not too terrible to give up. They get Horvat, who is top-10 in the league in goals right now, and they desperately need offense. As for re-flipping him if things don’t go well… it’s possible. I am having trouble remembering an instance of that having happened. Because it's a rarity. I can't even think of the last example off the top of my head. What's more likely here, especially given Lou's track record, is that they re-sign him in relative short order. The same as he did with JG Pageau, Ilya Kovalchuk (Devils), Kyle Palmieri, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Pete said: Vanek. Buffalo to Ilses to Montreal. Hilarious with that also being the Isles. Totally forgot they flipped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Good move by Lou. He had three choices: (1) rebuild; (2) stay the course with tweaks, like trading Beauvillier and Walstrom; or (3) swing for the fences. Option (1) does not work for them. None of their big contract veterans are near the end of their contracts and they have NTCs and cannot be easily moved for youth and picks. Moreover, a rebuild is dumb when you have one of the best goalies in the league and a solid top 4 Defense. Option (2) would mean playoff bubble and first round exits for years to come. Option (3) might succeed grandly and does not leave them dramatically worse off if it doesn't. Moreover, as other posters have noted, the price tag is not high. Raty's not a can't miss prospect; Beauvillier is meh; average post top 12 pick does not become a significant player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Pete said: Vanek. Buffalo to Ilses to Montreal. That’s right! I knew there had been 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 He either is or he isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: He either is or he isn't... Sounds like what he needs is some sort of "trans" jersey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Fuck it!! Give him stripes and let him ref the game! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: He either is or he isn't... Recall Bernie Nicholls traded from Kings to Rangers at ASG break, same thing. Besides, nobody cares about the ASG anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted February 5, 2023 Author Share Posted February 5, 2023 Islanders and Bo Horvat agree to an 8-year contract extension. Details on deal to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 8:03 AM, Pete said: Bo knows losing. QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: Islanders and Bo Horvat agree to an 8-year contract extension. Details on deal to follow. That's pretty decent money for Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Karan said: That's pretty decent money for Bo. Think you misspelled "absurd over-payment".... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Well you knew once the Islanders paid rhat trade price they were going to have to give him something obscene in order to forego UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Capfriendly has it at an $8.5MM AAV. Damn that's steep. Isles now have under $7mil in cap space next season with 11 forwards, 5 defensemen, and 1 goalie signed. And all of that with a roster signed long term that is a wild card team at best. Edited February 5, 2023 by Cash or Czech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Glad we didn’t do that one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Well you knew once the Islanders paid rhat trade price they were going to have to give him something obscene in order to forego UFA. I mean, he was always getting that. Not a penny less than the J.T. Miller deal (8x8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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