RichieNextel305 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) UPDATE: Islanders and Horvat in agreement on 8-Year Extension. Edited February 5, 2023 by RichieNextel305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Big move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Well fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonybologna Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) This makes no sense to me. Islanders are not even in a playoff spot right now and based on Horvat's "no contract talks til the end of the season" thing he has with his agent, I have a feeling there's no commitment from him to extend with the Isles. Edited January 30, 2023 by Tonybologna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 That is a risky, risky move by the Islanders in dealing Raty, who I know Islander fans were very hopeful for, and a 1st this year. I read that it was a protected 1st; have to see the details there. It shows Lou still has a pulse. If Horvat can help squeak them in, they could be a problem for teams. But if not, this could be a big swing and a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 You'd think they'd do what it takes to extend him giving up that much. If they can't or he doesn't want to stay there, then it's a terrible move. Very odd regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 Reading that it is Top-12 protected in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Some teams just go for it. The guy certainly fits a gaping hole in that lineup. I'm guessing this is piece #1 going in what will be a fire sale for Vancouver. Isles don't really give up much for a really good 2 way center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonybologna Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Dude said: Some teams just go for it. The guy certainly fits a gaping hole in that lineup. I'm guessing this is piece #1 going in what will be a fire sale for Vancouver. Isles don't really give up much for a really good 2 way center. I wouldn't say it's not much, it would be like Rangers trading Gauthier, Othmann, and a 1st. For a rental with no guarantee of extension and my team isn't even in a playoff spot I'm not doing that. And I also imagine they'll be overpaying by a lot if they do get him to stay there after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Lou must be feeling the pressure a lot to give up for a guy going to UFA for a team out of the playoffs. I guess if they dip they can trade him for the equivalent of a first, a player and a prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 IMO it’s an overpayment, Isles already one of the oldest teams, and to give up Raty and a 1st for someone who isn’t guaranteed to extend with the NYI is a risk. Thank god Beauvillier is gone, can’t kill the NYR as an Islander anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 It's smart to make this deal today, because they can decide between now and TDL if they're a playoff team. If not, they can recoup that first+ by moving Horvat at the deadline. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Really happy to see Beauvillier gone as far away as possible for the same reasons @Blue Heaven noted. On paper, this is a good trade for both teams, but it's extra risky for the Isles, who are currently two points back of the Pens for the final wild card in the East. Pens have three games in hand on them, too. Really rooting for them to miss hard, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I think it's a pretty good trade for the Islanders. Beauvillier is worth little given that he hasn't panned out to date and is over paid ($4.125m) for what he is. I've heard the Islanders (and not much of anyone else) talk up Raty, but it has always seemed a least partly a function that with their barren cupboard, they have little else to talk up. Horvat's going to have Lou right where he wants him. Usually, this kind of price for a rental is paid by a team with serious Cup aspirations, not a team in a five way battle for one of two wild card spots. After Lou pays this guy $9m per, in addition to the $9m for Barzal, and the additional contracts of Lee, Nelson, Pulluch, Pelech, and Palmieri, I'd like to see how he re-signs Sorokin for a big raise when his contract is up next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Tonybologna said: I wouldn't say it's not much, it would be like Rangers trading Gauthier, Othmann, and a 1st. For a rental with no guarantee of extension and my team isn't even in a playoff spot I'm not doing that. And I also imagine they'll be overpaying by a lot if they do get him to stay there after this season. I think Othmann is probably a better prospect than Raty. No? The Isles farm system has kinda faltered after they struck gold in the 1st round of 2018. I don't know how much credence can be given to the Athletic, but they rank the Isles farm system at 27th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Tonybologna said: I wouldn't say it's not much, it would be like Rangers trading Gauthier, Othmann, and a 1st. For a rental with no guarantee of extension and my team isn't even in a playoff spot I'm not doing that. And I also imagine they'll be overpaying by a lot if they do get him to stay there after this season. Beauvilier has a career high of 39 points. Gauthier has a career high of 9. This is more like a tier under Chytil/Kakko/Laff, plus a tier under Othmann, and a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Who the actual fuck calls them VCR? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Phil said: Really happy to see Beauvillier gone as far away as possible for the same reasons @Blue Heaven noted. On paper, this is a good trade for both teams, but it's extra risky for the Isles, who are currently two points back of the Pens for the final wild card in the East. Pens have three games in hand on them, too. Really rooting for them to miss hard, now. IBuffalo's a point up on them with three in hand. The Panthers are a point back. And while I think both teams are cooked, Detroit and Ottawa are keeping pace w/the Isles. Not a good team. And their February starts off a little soft, but the last 7 games in the month are Pit, Bos, Pit, WPG, LA, WPG, MIN. Like...you're telling me the Islanders are getting 11 points from that run to stay remotely relevant? Color me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Best case scenario horvat walks in the summer and the isles lose their first rounder after not making the playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, siddious said: Best case scenario horvat walks in the summer and the isles lose their first rounder after not making the playoffs Now you're talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: Who the actual fuck calls them VCR? That's Friedman's schtick. He uses the wrong abbreviation for teams on purpose because it drives Twitter nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: 17 year back-diving extension and he'll eventually exile himself to Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Bo knows losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 While I doubt horvat gets moved again at the TDL if the islanders continue to not get there, I think making the move now with that option is about the best way to mitigate this wonderfully high risk move. Look, you gotta love GMs swinging for it. Makes it exciting rather than just having third liners shipped around, and the plus side here is we get to watch the isles implode if it doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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