Phil Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 "I think it's doubtful that Strome comes back at this point. I can't imagine the Rangers raising their offer over the one he apparently rejected. And where Copp goes, I think it depends on the numbers. Simply because/if Copp is asking for less than Strome doesn't automatically mean that the number works." — Brooks, on Up in the Blueseats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 For awhile I thought it was a no brainer that they would reach a deal, but the longer the season goes on the less and less I feel like Strome will be back. Wonder if Drury is going to make a big move for another center in the offseason and re-sign Copp for 3rd line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, RJWantsTheCup said: For awhile I thought it was a no brainer that they would reach a deal, but the longer the season goes on the less and less I feel like Strome will be back. Wonder if Drury is going to make a big move for another center in the offseason and re-sign Copp for 3rd line center. If that's the move, then whoever they're looking at at 2C is on an ELC or second contract not worth very much. I think it's far more likely they walk away from both of them based on price, shop for a 2C, and run back the kid line as the third line for a full season. Let them really continue to develop together all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, Phil said: If that's the move, then whoever they're looking at at 2C is on an ELC or second contract not worth very much. I think it's far more likely they walk away from both of them based on price, shop for a 2C, and run back the kid line as the third line for a full season. Let them really continue to develop together all year long. Not a bad way to go at this point. Don’t ask me who fills that 2C spot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, siddious said: Not a bad way to go at this point. Don’t ask me who fills that 2C spot though. No idea. They'll have irons in a lot of fires. Scheifele, Dubois, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Phil said: No idea. They'll have irons in a lot of fires. Scheifele, Dubois, etc. PLD and Panarin were pretty damn good together iirc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 They can go after lots of different centers if Drury has the balls to move Panarin. Edmonton is always rumored to be moving Draisaitl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gravesy said: PLD and Panarin were pretty damn good together iirc? They were, and there are a ton of questions about his future (again), but I don't think there's much incentive at all for the Jets to trade him this summer. That's a next summer issue, if they can't agree to a long-term deal. He's in a really similar position to the one Trouba was in, so they'll run out the runway before they make the hard call. Scheifele, though, feels destined to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Give me a 2nd line of Laf - Scheifle - Kakko. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Can Trocheck somehow fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I mean, we have pieces for a top-9 and holes to fill. Kreider - Zibanejad - X Panarin - X - X Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko You have to imagine that Laf gets another shot at the RW with Z and Kreider. I don't think Chytil works for the 2C, but I don't think he's trade fodder as much as he was after this playoff showing. Kakko has a chance to be a 2RW or 3RW. We also have Goodrow still who I think can get another shot on Panarin's wing. Blais as well has potential there. The main and biggest issue is that 2C. There aren't a lot of FAs out there (no Bergeron or Malkin). Trade is probably the best avenue. We still have plenty of prospects in the cupboard both up front and on D that are in play for an acquisition. PLD in an arbitration eligible RFA so I think he'll price himself out. Scheifele is tough financially but that's what a top-6 C costs. Do we kick the tires on Gourde again for Keith's sake? Or, do we go all in on Kane and Toews and run a legacy Blackhawks line with Panarin and shoot our shot for a cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Strome has 6 points in 8 playoff games. That’s a 61 point pace. What exactly were people expecting from him? He hasn’t elevated his game in the playoffs, but he hasn’t been worse either. He’s been Ryan Strome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I'm letting Brennan Othman walk onto this club next year on Panarins wing, I'm resigning Vatrano, and I'm trying to resign Copp. You have depth in Sammy Blais and Goodrow and we see where we go from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Strome has 6 points in 8 playoff games. That’s a 61 point pace. What exactly were people expecting from him? He hasn’t elevated his game in the playoffs, but he hasn’t been worse either. He’s been Ryan Strome. I no think more than anything it’s lack of physicality, defensive responsibility, and lack of acumen in the face off circle that really is what’s showing up as deficient right now. Particularly in big minutes vs other top-6 guys, in the biggest games of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Blue Heaven said: Can Trocheck somehow fit? Yes, but probably at a very similar number to Copp and Strome, for a player who is probably not better than either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, RangersIn7 said: I no think more than anything it’s lack of physicality, defensive responsibility, and lack of acumen in the face off circle that really is what’s showing up as deficient right now. Particularly in big minutes vs other top-6 guys, in the biggest games of the year. I keep hearing the same shpeil that's either (A) unquantifiable "defensive responsibility" says who? or (2) something that's plagues the entire team in faceoffs. Folks just have axes to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I think we’re seeing the second line emerge in these playoffs. panarin - Zibanejad - Kreider Kid line Hurt Locker RRR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 10 hours ago, josh said: I think we’re seeing the second line emerge in these playoffs. panarin - Zibanejad - Kreider Kid line Hurt Locker RRR I love the kid line, but I'm not sure I'm ready to lose that depth. Granted, we kinda screwed ourselves cap-wise and need the kids to put up in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Not "Doubtful" that Strome returns to the Penalty Box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: I love the kid line, but I'm not sure I'm ready to lose that depth. Granted, we kinda screwed ourselves cap-wise and need the kids to put up in the regular season. Re-signing Strome and/or Copp will be much more damaging to your depth. i signed Motte, still have Nemeth on the roster, and 2.5m in cap. That cap flexibility for the next 2 seasons is huge. And they can’t overpay either Strome nor Copp to long term deals (and we can’t deny that that’s what it would take to keep either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, josh said: Re-signing Strome and/or Copp will be much more damaging to your depth. i signed Motte, still have Nemeth on the roster, and 2.5m in cap. That cap flexibility for the next 2 seasons is huge. And they can’t overpay either Strome nor Copp to long term deals (and we can’t deny that that’s what it would take to keep either) I don't disagree with what you're saying, I don't want Strome back and am 50/50 on Copp. Who's on the Hurt Locker and RRR? Goodrow - ? - Blais Reaves - Rooney - ? I think if the kids go cold or the top line disappears, you have a big problem scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: I don't disagree with what you're saying, I don't want Strome back and am 50/50 on Copp. Who's on the Hurt Locker and RRR? Goodrow - ? - Blais Reaves - Rooney - ? I think if the kids go cold or the top line disappears, you have a big problem scoring. Motte Goodrow Blais reaves Rooney and the Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 hours ago, josh said: Motte Goodrow Blais reaves Rooney and the Russian A little light on offense, but I love the grindiness once the playoffs come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Cash or Czech said: A little light on offense, but I love the grindiness once the playoffs come around. “Offense” isn’t an issue. Secondary scoring, timely goals and consistency have been the issue. My suggested lineup isn’t worse in any of those aspects. removing Panarin - Strome - whomever and having the third and 4th lines i mention, immediately makes them harder to play against the kids line has to improve. If we don’t think they can, then move on from them. But you still don’t have enough to sign Strome/Copp and not fuck up your future cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Put it this way, I removed Copp, Strome and Vatrano. Think about how you felt about those guys prior to the acquisitions. prior to coming to NY that’s a semi-shitty 3rd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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