Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 Remember when Kreider came in and had a sick playoff and was in the AHL the next year? Caulfield has a boatload of skill, but it's been like 20 games. I mean sure, but he's about to win Cup and we're still talking about how Kakko is improving. Meanwhile, Caufield is a national television draw in like 20 games. It just sucks, is the point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I mean sure, but he's about to win Cup and we're still talking about how Kakko is improving. Meanwhile, Caufield is a national television draw in like 20 games. It just sucks, is the point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProHe's about to play for the Cup.* I don't really care who a national TV draw is, we have Panarin, Zib, Fox. I feel pretty confident in saying the only people who would prefer to watch The Habs to the Rangers are Habs fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 He's about to play for the Cup.* I don't really care who a national TV draw is, we have Panarin, Zib, Fox. I feel pretty confident in saying the only people who would prefer to watch The Habs to the Rangers are Habs fans. True -- Isles gonna win the Cup. You right. But you're missing the point, still. It's about how nearly 200 games into his career we're still selling marginal improvement while other youngsters (same draft) are a house on fire. Pointing to Panarin, Zibanejad, and Fox doesn't distract from this point. It only helps to mitigate the totality of the loss. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 True -- Isles gonna win the Cup. You right. But you're missing the point, still. It's about how nearly 200 games into his career we're still selling marginal improvement while other youngsters (same draft) are a house on fire. Pointing to Panarin, Zibanejad, and Fox doesn't distract from this point. It only helps to mitigate the totality of the loss. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 114 games in 2 seasons disrupted by COVID and moving across the world. Tell me more about how patient NYR fans are...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 Because he's so unique in that regard? You know who else faced similar circumstances? Everyone else. Kakko (9 goals, 17 points in 48 games) put up significantly fewer points than rookies all over the league — all of whom didn't have a camp, either, some of whom played for very young rebuilding teams, too. Josh Norris had 35 points in 56. Yegor Sharangovich had 30 in 54. Stutzle had 29 in 53. Oliver Wahlstrom had 21 in 44. He was billed as "near complete," and the only thing he's nearly completed is disappointing. I also never said a thing about patience, nor does this have much to do at all with it. It is very much a what have you done for me lately comment cast in the long shadow of an impressive showing from a player taken in his draft class who was the third-best talent available. Say whatever you will about fans not being patient but high draft picks come with high expectations, and they don't get miles of rope to find their way without the caveat of being called disappointing. The Rangers aren't unique in this regard, either. Pavel Zacha suffered a similar fate. So did Lawson Crouse, Jesse Puljujarvi, Nolan Patrick, and others. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 114 games in 2 seasons disrupted by COVID and moving across the world. Tell me more about how patient NYR fans are...? Blame the hypemobile for overrating Kakko's readiness. Not Rangers fans. We've got plenty of prospects who Rangers fans are and were waiting patiently for, because we knew they'd need a few years. Kakko was placed into a different bucket by everyone - not just Rangers fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 Blame the hypemobile for overrating Kakko's readiness. Not Rangers fans. We've got plenty of prospects who Rangers fans are and were waiting patiently for, because we knew they'd need a few years. Kakko was placed into a different bucket by everyone - not just Rangers fans. Yup -- same issue with Andersson. The second you call an 18-year-old "NHL ready," or "complete," you are playing a dangerous game, because anything less will be measured directly against those prognostications. Rightly or wrongly. Set realistic expectations. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Cool, Caulfield had a great dozen games. I'll let you guys be miserable about it. I'd rather have the player who has a more successful career than a more successful first season... I mean first handful of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 I'd rather win a Cup with an electric performance from a rookie who might flame out than potentially win nothing with a guy who takes five years to round out into a good player. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I'd rather win a Cup with an electric performance from a rookie who might flame out than potentially win nothing with a guy who takes five years to round out into a good player. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThis doesn't really make any sense to me considering they have not won the Cup yet, but we don't all have to have the same opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Remember when Kreider came in and had a sick playoff and was in the AHL the next year? Caulfield has a boatload of skill, but it's been like 20 games. He was in the AHL because of the lockout. The following season he was in the AHL for play reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 fun times. got my job on 42/park in 86. was 20. came home told my parents i was taking a semester off college and bought ranger season tix with my colleague. had them for a few years. (i did go back to school and grad :) sat in 423 which is gone now. paid like 20 bucks? maybe a few schekels less. the pot smoke would drift out of the stair corridors between periods. not like i was smelling it but helping to make it. use to take 6 tall boys in my briefcase that i bought at that deli on 33/7th. never got checked. had a buddy scott in 411, nice seat. had 15 guys behind me from brooklyn. one guy wore a different qb jersey every game. shows up with an orange elway 7 one nite and the whole garden is yelling ELWAY... some drunk guy went over to challenge him... big mistake as his bensonhurst friends beat the hell out of the guy before security got there. the best though was carol alt marching through the promenade with her black mini skirt. the roof blew off the place. she used to sit behind the rangers goal down low to watch gresh. some nights she would come up and hang in the blues. god we loved her. fun times. Slobby, We used to watch/gawk as she would walk up to sit with her dad in I think it was section 410...or 409...I forget. We used do the "CAROL" chant for like half a period until she would finally wave to us!! :rofl: Holy Good Lord, she was such a babe!!! I'm looking forward to next season...I'm sure me and RJ will be back sampling a few beers and stirring up the section again. Honestly though, I'd rather get a bunch of this crew together and check out a game with you guys!! THAT, I guarantee will be one to remember! :thumbs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 He was in the AHL because of the lockout. The following season he was in the AHL for play reasons. How does that change the point I was making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 How does that change the point I was making? Just want you to get your facts right, boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Blame the hypemobile for overrating Kakko's readiness. Not Rangers fans. We've got plenty of prospects who Rangers fans are and were waiting patiently for, because we knew they'd need a few years. Kakko was placed into a different bucket by everyone - not just Rangers fans. Blame the hockey scouts, not Kakko. or you could also blame Quinn, while you're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 True -- Isles gonna win the Cup. You right. But you're missing the point, still. It's about how nearly 200 games into his career we're still selling marginal improvement while other youngsters (same draft) are a house on fire. Pointing to Panarin, Zibanejad, and Fox doesn't distract from this point. It only helps to mitigate the totality of the loss. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro It's going to be tough for Kucherov to lift the Cup and the Conn Smythe over his head with those damaged ribs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Kucherov didn’t skate this morning. I can’t see him not playing, but it’d be a risk for Tampa. One hit could be it for him, and then you’re back to 11 forwards the remainder of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Blame the hockey scouts, not Kakko. or you could also blame Quinn, while you're at it. No argument there. That's what I meant by the hypemobile. Scouts + media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 No argument there. That's what I meant by the hypemobile. Scouts + media. Media more than anyone. Its the job of scouts to be somewhat hyperbolic. They're trying to excite front offices to take the guys they believe in most. It's the job of media to parse that information responsibly, and they don't. Not nearly enough. When a scout says "this kid is the next McDavid," they don't have to run with it, especially if they don't agree, or most in the industry don't agree. The biggest gripe I have, still, is the level of comparison they (and fans as an extension) make. Take K'Andre Miller, for example. The first name he got compared to? Hedman. Fuck off with that. It should have been Bouwmeester, like his coach said. Thankfully, he hasn't been dragged too much for it, but it happens all the time to the guys taken closest to the top of the draft, and for some players, it becomes an anchor. Ditto phrases like "NHL-ready" and "complete." Set realistic expectations. I think you'd be surprised how much better the climate around prospects writ large would become if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Isles are gonna win the cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 WTH does Kakko have to do with this so-called islander/lightning thread? Usual procedure when people go off the rails. GO ISLANDERS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Kucherov playing....If Im TB I use him as a decoy and to play on the PP. Cant let him be on the ice vs. the 3rd/4th lines. NYI going to target him every chance they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 TB buzzing early. Beauvillier stopped by Vasi on a semi-break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 0-0 End of 1 TB outplayed the NYI in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 NYI get the 1st PP. Goodrow cross-checking. I thought cross-checking was legal in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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