[brooks] Nazem Kadri Could be Fit for Glaring Rangers Need

[Phil]

Maybe Nazem Kadri returns from his eight-game suspension (that is under appeal), leads the Avalanche to the Stanley Cup and is rewarded with a contract extension that would prevent the center from becoming an unrestricted free agent a year from now.

 

Or, returning to a much more plausible universe, regardless of what the Avalanche or the recidivist do the rest of the way, Kadri is thereafter immediately dangled on the trade market as a depressed asset and sent away following his third suspension in the last four playoffs and sixth overall in nine full NHL seasons.

 

The question in front of Chris Drury — the Rangers’ president-general manager who is holding his coaching search open to accommodate candidates who might become available upon first-round defeats — is whether Kadri represents too much of a gamble on whom to make a short-term wager or whether the veteran’s profile fits the club’s needs to such an extent that the potential reward would be worth the risk.

 

Because in Kadri, who will be 31 at the start of next season and carry a $4.5 million cap hit, the Rangers would be getting the type of nasty, jagged-edged, checking-type center who can score — an average of 24 goals per 82 games over nine full seasons — and is proficient at faceoffs. The organization only has a crying need for that.

 

Of course the cost would be paramount in arriving at the ultimate decision. You wouldn’t recommend that the Rangers exchange any of their brightest prospects for a guy with one year left on his deal leading to free agency. That wouldn’t make sense. But not everyone under the age of 26 can be walled off, either, if the intent is to bolster the lineup.

 

But the man sure has some value in the middle beyond — or that mitigates — his recklessness. His offense has dipped a bit in his two years in Colorado following seven in Toronto, with Kadri going 11-21=32 in 56 games this season, and he was the only regular on the Avalanche to be on for more goals against than goals scored (29/31), but his possession numbers remained strong and so did his xGF%.

 

And so did his work at the dots, where Kadri won 52.8 percent of his draws this season and he ranks 26th in the NHL at 53.2 percent over the last four years among players taking at least 3,000 faceoffs. The Rangers rank last in the league over that span at 47.1 percent with Mika Zibanejad’s 49.2 percent the club leader.

 

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[Ozzy]

Uncle Larry hitting up our forum again today!! :thumbs:

 

I want the "other" center, Larry!!! That "Nate" fellow! ;)

[LindG1000]

Kadri's an interesting choice, but it's really hard to get behind a guy that seems to get suspended with regularity when it matters most.

 

I think if you can successfully have the "stop doing stupid shit in the playoffs" conversation, it's an idea worth digging into.

[ThirtyONE]

Gotta get to the playoffs before you can be suspended in them. He’s interesting for sure.

[The Dude]

Fuckin guy. Ah well. I guess I'm honored.

[BrooksBurner]

Uncle Larry hitting up our forum again today!! :thumbs:

 

I want the "other" center, Larry!!! That "Nate" fellow! ;)

 

Even Larry knows Mac ain't happening Ozzy. That should tell you something LOL

[LindG1000]

Even Larry knows Mac ain't happening Ozzy. That should tell you something LOL

 

it's a 50/50 shot I guess then.

 

not like the rangers have a history of trying desperately to acquire Colorado's franchise center or anything.

 

can we make sure there's not a sequel to Air Force One in development this time?

[Valriera]

i think its a fine target to go after alongside the likes of greenway and whomever else fits that mold. It's not like we're signing any of these guys to seven year deals so the only variables are really cost to acquire and missed opportunity cost if we want to leave open extending. Realistically if this guy gets an extension it's not going to be terrible, likely looks like his cap hit now, which for a 3C is reasonable. But he definitely would fill the hole, and I'm not bothered by the suspension stuff. These guys to be effective always need to play on the edge (see: Tom Wilson) and it doesn't mean anything about their ability to play hockey.

[RangersIn7]

Mac has 2 more seasons at a VERY manageable price. He’s making 50-60% tops of what he’s worth.

Even if the negotiations on his next contract went to pot, and he legitimately wanted out of there and Colorado HAD to trade him, we are at least a year ware from that happening.

 

If at all.

Sakic isn’t stupid.

They have cap room.

 

He’s going to get between 90-100% of a max contract. And he’s getting 8 years from Colorado.

 

No one else can give him $100 million.

And Colorado I think will.

 

I can’t see Sakic not finding a way to extend both Mac and Makar.

Those 2 on long-term deals, plus making a decision on their goaltending and how much are their biggest priorities. Then it’s trying to keep Landeskog.

 

That does open things up on them potentially losing some like Kadri as a cap casualty via trade or Landeskog via free agency... and I think they’d really like to keep their Captain.

 

If the price didn’t send too much cheap, young talent to Colorado, I’d take the last year of Kadri and see what happened.

[Slobberknocker]

NO NO NO.. i cant gif but if i could it would be belushi seeing flounders face on the screen.

 

how does this possibly make sense. game 7 yes... this guys done nothing

 

larry needs another profession...

[The Dude]

Mac has 2 more seasons at a VERY manageable price. He’s making 50-60% tops of what he’s worth.

Even if the negotiations on his next contract went to pot, and he legitimately wanted out of there and Colorado HAD to trade him, we are at least a year ware from that happening.

 

If at all.

Sakic isn’t stupid.

They have cap room.

 

He’s going to get between 90-100% of a max contract. And he’s getting 8 years from Colorado.

 

No one else can give him $100 million.

And Colorado I think will.

 

I can’t see Sakic not finding a way to extend both Mac and Makar.

Those 2 on long-term deals, plus making a decision on their goaltending and how much are their biggest priorities. Then it’s trying to keep Landeskog.

 

That does open things up on them potentially losing some like Kadri as a cap casualty via trade or Landeskog via free agency... and I think they’d really like to keep their Captain.

 

If the price didn’t send too much cheap, young talent to Colorado, I’d take the last year of Kadri and see what happened.

 

Is Gauthier not enough to get him? Gauthier & Hajek? I wouldn't trade much more for him. Georgiev?

[Dunny]

Yes, please.

[Phil]

Kadri's an interesting choice, but it's really hard to get behind a guy that seems to get suspended with regularity when it matters most.

 

I think if you can successfully have the "stop doing stupid shit in the playoffs" conversation, it's an idea worth digging into.

 

"I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."

[Winter]

Pass rather just shoot for players like Cizikas, Bonino, Glendening, Danault etc.

[Ozzy]

Even Larry knows Mac ain't happening Ozzy. That should tell you something LOL

 

Mac has 2 more seasons at a VERY manageable price. He’s making 50-60% tops of what he’s worth.

Even if the negotiations on his next contract went to pot, and he legitimately wanted out of there and Colorado HAD to trade him, we are at least a year ware from that happening.

 

If at all.

Sakic isn’t stupid.

They have cap room.

 

He’s going to get between 90-100% of a max contract. And he’s getting 8 years from Colorado.

 

No one else can give him $100 million.

And Colorado I think will.

 

I can’t see Sakic not finding a way to extend both Mac and Makar.

Those 2 on long-term deals, plus making a decision on their goaltending and how much are their biggest priorities. Then it’s trying to keep Landeskog.

 

That does open things up on them potentially losing some like Kadri as a cap casualty via trade or Landeskog via free agency... and I think they’d really like to keep their Captain.

 

If the price didn’t send too much cheap, young talent to Colorado, I’d take the last year of Kadri and see what happened.

 

Make no mistake fellas, I know MacKinnon is a pipe dream. I've watched a ton of Avs games this past season, and I just love watching the guy play. There's most likely NO WAY Sakic lets him get away.

 

But seriously....Larry Brooks is all over these pages like spots on a Dalmatian! :rofl:

 

We were just talking about Kadri, not 24 hours ago. I forget who posted it...but it's just funny how it just "pops" into Uncle Larry's most recent article!! LOL

[BrooksBurner]

Make no mistake fellas, I know MacKinnon is a pipe dream. I've watched a ton of Avs games this past season, and I just love watching the guy play. There's most likely NO WAY Sakic lets him get away.

 

But seriously....Larry Brooks is all over these pages like spots on a Dalmatian! :rofl:

 

We were just talking about Kadri, not 24 hours ago. I forget who posted it...but it's just funny how it just "pops" into Uncle Larry's most recent article!! LOL

 

No doubt. You know who the Rangers should bring back as a vet presence on the blueline? Dan Girardi.

 

 

Now we wait.

 

[Ozzy]

No doubt. You know who the Rangers should bring back as a vet presence on the blueline? Dan Girardi.

 

 

Now we wait.

 

 

I think I see bubbles around the bait already, RMC!!! :rofl:

[Phil]

Pass rather just shoot for players like Cizikas, Bonino, Glendening, Danault etc.

 

Three fourth liners and older Filip Chytil? Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say none of these guys are on Kadri's level. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[Ozzy]

Hey Phil...we gotta keep the aisle clear for our man, Cuylle-Hand-Luke!!! ;)

 

He and Barron are going to be "special" I think!!

[Flynn]

At some point Kadri is going to lose the teeth of his game.. As Ron White once said, you can't fix stupid.. He's either going to get himself the Raffi Torres treatment, or completely soften his game to the point he's useless.. I just don't see a 30 year old guy applying the nuance to keep his edge and play heavy while staying within the boundaries of a "clean" game.. He's a dumbass and will continue to hurt his teams, I'd rather it be another team

[Phil]

Let 'em compete for spots, just like everyone else. They're young. I've got high hopes.

[ThirtyONE]

At some point Kadri is going to lose the teeth of his game.. As Ron White once said, you can't fix stupid.. He's either going to get himself the Raffi Torres treatment, or completely soften his game to the point he's useless.. I just don't see a 30 year old guy applying the nuance to keep his edge and play heavy while staying within the boundaries of a "clean" game.. He's a dumbass and will continue to hurt his teams, I'd rather it be another team

 

I don't really understand this either / or scenario. I don't think I've ever seen this happen to a player. Just feels like you're making up a reason not to like him. It's fine not to like him, but saying he's 30 and stupid is pretty surface level.

[Flynn]

I don't really understand this either / or scenario. I don't think I've ever seen this happen to a player. Just feels like you're making up a reason not to like him. It's fine not to like him, but saying he's 30 and stupid is pretty surface level.

 

Raffi Torres got 41 games his last suspension.. The NHL is different animal these days, the headhunters aren't going to have a place in the game. Kadri is a recidivist, he is looking at longer and longer suspensions going forward- My dude just doesn't seem to know where the line is. He's not proven the ability to toe the line without crossing it.

 

He might be a fine guy.. But anyone who can't control themselves from getting suspended every year in the playoffs is a dumb fuck.. I want tough, not a dumb fuck.

[The Dude]

At some point Kadri is going to lose the teeth of his game.. As Ron White once said, you can't fix stupid.. He's either going to get himself the Raffi Torres treatment, or completely soften his game to the point he's useless.. I just don't see a 30 year old guy applying the nuance to keep his edge and play heavy while staying within the boundaries of a "clean" game.. He's a dumbass and will continue to hurt his teams, I'd rather it be another team

 

For one year and if it cost very little in trade? It fills a hole. Not every player needs to be part of the future. I think the guy is a warrior and brings the nasty everyone is looking for, as well as being a big time faceoff guy. He fills a few holes here and really should cost little as well as not bringing a commitment. He'll, it will be a contract year too, so you'll most likely get production out of him.

 

PS, Ozzy, that was me who brought him up and got crickets...

[The Dude]

Raffi Torres got 41 games his last suspension.. The NHL is different animal these days, the headhunters aren't going to have a place in the game. Kadri is a recidivist, he is looking at longer and longer suspensions going forward- My dude just doesn't seem to know where the line is. He's not proven the ability to toe the line without crossing it.

 

He might be a fine guy.. But anyone who can't control themselves from getting suspended every year in the playoffs is a dumb fuck.. I want tough, not a dumb fuck.

 

Well usually tough and dumb fuck go hand in hand. But tough and can produce 40 points and be a faceoff specialist AND be dumb? That's pretty much all that's available at the price anyone is willing to pay for a realistic option.

 

Who else can bang, put up points and win 53% of his faceoffs and can be had?

 

Again. Beggars can't be choosers. Dumb fuck might just be the best option.