TwoMinutesForNothing Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Speculation is that Colorado won't be able to protect Ryan Graves. We could bring him back via trade and he'd be a much better fit at LD than redundant Zac Jones. Gallant would much prefer it since he's at the helm now. 4 big D and let Fox and Nils do their thing. Graves plays physical, skates well and is willing to drop the gloves. Trading him for nothing was one of Gorton's biggest blunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can you link to the speculation so we understand why? Is it Seattle related? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Hey Ozzy, Reaves has another year left on his deal w/Vegas after after this one. You're correct, JS...I totally read Capfriendly incorrectly.....Told you I need my glasses!! LOL Rooney-Bellemare-Reaves would be a solid fourth line. I'm down. Thing is, I think he would be a perfect insurance policy for a couple of years, at least until the kids get their "wings" so to speak. After they've grown into men, we might not need that type of player, but I think he'd be a pretty good fit here at the moment. But if you couple a Reaves acquisition with a player such as Greenway, I think you've just solved about 80% of the issues with this team. we're not far away from where we have to go....just maybe 2 big, fast defenseman that take no shit (Robertson, Schneider), and a rugged winger that shoots like a madman and plays like one as well (Cuylle). We're getting there!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can you link to the speculation so we understand why? Is it Seattle related? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Seems to be the consensus that he will be left unprotected - including when Johnson waives his NMC https://www.denverpost.com/2021/05/02/avalanche-expansion-draft-seattle-kraken/ Projected defensemen: Devon Toews, Cale Makar, Sam Girard Notably unprotected: Erik Johnson, Ryan Graves, Jacob MacDonald, Keaton Middleton, Dennis Gilbert Notably exempt: Bo Byram, Conor Timmins Analysis: Johnson, 33, is a team-first player who likely will have no problem waiving his no-trade clause, given his age, injury history and $6 million cap hit through the next two seasons. The Kraken won’t want to build upon that. The 25-year-old Graves, however, makes nearly half as much as Johnson under the same term and is as good as gone if Seattle chooses an Avs defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Thanks, I figured as much, but hadn't read anything about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Speculation is that Colorado won't be able to protect Ryan Graves. We could bring him back via trade and he'd be a much better fit at LD than redundant Zac Jones. Gallant would much prefer it since he's at the helm now. 4 big D and let Fox and Nils do their thing. Graves plays physical, skates well and is willing to drop the gloves. Trading him for nothing was one of Gorton's biggest blunders. Seems to be the consensus that he will be left unprotected - including when Johnson waives his NMC https://www.denverpost.com/2021/05/02/avalanche-expansion-draft-seattle-kraken/ I think this really makes good sense. I'd totally be down with getting Graves back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I wouldn't exactly write off Erik Johnson as an option for us either, but not at that tag. He might be a buyout candidate given Colorado's strength on D and the need to free up dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I think this really makes good sense. I'd totally be down with getting Graves back. Graves got Panarin'd by Reaves. Graves, Smith, Greenway, Lindgren... this team isnt winning fight all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Graves got Panarin'd by Reaves. Graves, Smith, Greenway, Lindgren... this team isnt winning fight all season. Not so much for that reason, Josh....more about the redundancy of smaller, puck moving defenseman we have. Graves, I think would fit better because of his ability to defend bigger players in front of our net. Besides, if we trade for Reaves, maybe he could give Graves a lesson in the ring!!!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Graves got Panarin'd by Reaves. Graves, Smith, Greenway, Lindgren... this team isnt winning fight all season. To be perfectly fair, there's few if any players that wouldn't get Panarin'd by Reaves. There's a reason why he's the big dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 I like Graves as a player, but trying to paint him as "physical" is a stretch. He's closer to K'Andre Miller (big and mobile) than he is Jacob Trouba (big and mean). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Not so much for that reason, Josh....more about the redundancy of smaller, puck moving defenseman we have. Graves, I think would fit better because of his ability to defend bigger players in front of our net. Besides, if we trade for Reaves, maybe he could give Graves a lesson in the ring!!!! ;) I’m just playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I’m just playing. LOL Dude, can you believe we gave Graves away for nothing??? Holy shit!! I've watched so many Avs games this season because as you know I'm a fucking savage MacKinnon fan boy, and I can't even begin to think what the hell Gorton was thinking with that one!!! :rofl: Too bad he isn't Adam Graves!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I like Graves as a player, but trying to paint him as "physical" is a stretch. He's closer to K'Andre Miller (big and mobile) than he is Jacob Trouba (big and mean).If we're saying Trouba is mean, we're setting the bar really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Mean-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Speculation is that Colorado won't be able to protect Ryan Graves. We could bring him back via trade and he'd be a much better fit at LD than redundant Zac Jones. Gallant would much prefer it since he's at the helm now. 4 big D and let Fox and Nils do their thing. Graves plays physical, skates well and is willing to drop the gloves. Trading him for nothing was one of Gorton's biggest blunders. If true, I'd do it. The Rangers do have a possible D spot open for the protected list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Gotta get someone from Tampa. Would love Point but its a pipe dream probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 What do the last four teams have in common? Depth through their third and fourth lines. Islanders https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/new-york-islanders/line-combinations/ Palmieri-Pageau-Zajac Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck Canadiens https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/montreal-canadiens/line-combinations/ Byron-Kotkaniemi-Anderson Armia-Staal-Perry Lightning https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/tampa-bay-lightning/line-combinations/ Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman Colton-Johnson-Maroon Knights https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/vegas-golden-knights/line-combinations/ Janmark-Roy-Tuch Carrier-Kolesar-Reaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 A lot of us have X'd Chytil out of a spot next season, including myself, but with Gallant in place, Chytil seems like the kind of player who would thrive under him. I think at this point I'd be very hesitant to trade him right now. Even in Quinn's dumpster bin of ice time, combined with a COVID stint that earned Zibanejad all kinds of leeway, he still had a very good 43 point pace (all at even strength!). I think you hold Chytil as a "2/3C", and sign or trade for another 2/3C. Strome continues to be the odd man out in a long term scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 A lot of us have X'd Chytil out of a spot next season, including myself, but with Gallant in place, Chytil seems like the kind of player who would thrive under him. I think at this point I'd be very hesitant to trade him right now. Even in Quinn's dumpster bin of ice time, combined with a COVID stint that earned Zibanejad all kinds of leeway, he still had a very good 43 point pace (all at even strength!). I think you hold Chytil as a "2/3C", and sign or trade for another 2/3C. Strome continues to be the odd man out in a long term scenario.You're pretty much the only one that has the Strome as an odd man out at this point. I don't anticipate Chytil, a soft perimeter player, to thrive under Gallant, unless something changes. The player he is right now is not at all a Gallant type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 You're pretty much the only one that has the Strome as an odd man out at this point. I don't anticipate Chytil, a soft perimeter player, to thrive under Gallant, unless something changes. The player he is right now is not at all a Gallant type. I think Chytil can thrive under Gallant. I just don't expect it, because Chytil is Chytil. Writ large, one of the most important things Gallant and his staff should focus on is helping Chytil, Kakko, Zibanejad, Barron, and ESPECIALLY Kreider and Gauthier (if he survives the expansion draft) use their size to their advantage. You can't be 6'2+, 205+ and be just a perimeter player. All of these players - Barron less than others - are exceptionally talented, and that's a piece of the game that would bring all of them a level up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 You're pretty much the only one that has the Strome as an odd man out at this point. I don't anticipate Chytil, a soft perimeter player, to thrive under Gallant, unless something changes. The player he is right now is not at all a Gallant type. I've seen plenty with Strome as the odd man out. Even more outside of this forum with the expectation that he's not the 2C for the future. 80% of the team are perimeter players, so you're basically saying Gallant is a terrible coaching pick if you don't think he can help our players with that. I also don't agree that Chytil is a perimeter player, but I do agree he's too soft for his frame. He has shown on many occasions that he can take the puck to the net, he just doesn't do it enough. I suspect a good coach like Gallant can help with getting him to use that size more. Strome, on the other hand, is a pure perimeter player, and ironically plays with another pure perimeter player in Panarin. Zibanejad and Buchnevich also perimeter players, but they bring more to the team than one dimensional Ryan Strome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I've seen plenty with Strome as the odd man out. Even more outside of this forum with the expectation that he's not the 2C for the future. 80% of the team are perimeter players, so you're basically saying Gallant is a terrible coaching pick if you don't think he can help our players with that. I also don't agree that Chytil is a perimeter player, but I do agree he's too soft for his frame. He has shown on many occasions that he can take the puck to the net, he just doesn't do it enough. I suspect a good coach like Gallant can help with getting him to use that size more. Strome, on the other hand, is a pure perimeter player, and ironically plays with another pure perimeter player in Panarin. Zibanejad and Buchnevich also perimeter players, but they bring more to the team than one dimensional Ryan Strome. When you're a 40 goal scorer or 100 plus point player, you can be a perimeter player because getting to the net is not the way you score. Chytil is not that. You've been whining about Strome forever and he just keeps producing. Keep doing you though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 When you're a 40 goal scorer or 100 plus point player, you can be a perimeter player because getting to the net is not the way you score. Chytil is not that. You've been whining about Strome forever and he just keeps producing. Keep doing you though! "Say you don't have a good rebuttal without saying you don't have a good rebuttal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 When you're a 40 goal scorer or 100 plus point player, you can be a perimeter player because getting to the net is not the way you score. Chytil is not that. You've been whining about Strome forever and he just keeps producing. Keep doing you though! "Say you don't have a good rebuttal without saying you don't have a good rebuttal" Okay, cool it. TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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