Pete Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I'm just not interested in signing a 32-year-old to a five year deal. Least of all one who plays a physical game like Maroon. He's already showing signs of being on the wrong side of 30 with back-to-back seasons (0.36, 0.38 respectively) under his career average (0.45 P/GP) despite playing on two very good teams. He's played reduced minutes because those teams are very good. Again, that contract is very tradeable with retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 He's played reduced minutes because those teams are very good. Again, that contract is very tradeable with retention. I'm just not interested in five years. Not for that kind of player. Not at this age. I wouldn't give that term to Martin or Boyle or anyone else, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I'm just not interested in five years. Not for that kind of player. Not at this age. I wouldn't give that term to Martin or Boyle or anyone else, either. Well Boyle is 35. You keep saying that you're not interested after I keep saying the contract is totally tradeable with retention. Someone will take it to get to the cap floor or something. So I don't really see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Well Boyle is 35. You keep saying that you're not interested after I keep saying the contract is totally tradeable with retention. Someone will take it to get to the cap floor or something. So I don't really see the problem. Maybe, but why take that risk in the first place? I see Maroon, Martin, and others all in the same vein. I'm interested in breaking up the team's homogenity, but I've no interest in locking myself into a player who is likely to have more bad years than good over the life of his contract. I would approach the group, find out who still offers what I'm looking for for the fewest years and sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Maroon won 2 years in a row, he's looking to break the bank with this contract. Doubt he'll be worth what he's looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 IF this is how it shakes out up front next season it's a thumbs down from me. Mix in some new parts as we are discussing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Yeah, to come back with the same team, plus Laf, and expect a different result isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Yeah, to come back with the same team, plus Laf, and expect a different result isn't realistic. Does Fast honestly excite anyone? I see his name there and it's disappointing. I'd like to see Strome replaced and Buch moved down in favor of Kakko. And then the bottom 6 needs an overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't think Buch is a top line guy on a contending team nor do I think Kakko remotely deserves to be moved up to the top line at this point either. Not responding to you directly 31 I respect your opinion, I just think he has miles to go. I think the lineup posted above proves that we have a number of guys who really need to step up and/or holes to fill. Maybe Kravtsov surprises who knows but I don't expect much if this is what we roll with. I hope they shake things up by moving a few pieces out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't think Buch is a top line guy on a contending team nor do I think Kakko remotely deserves to be moved up to the top line at this point either. Not responding to you directly 31 I respect your opinion, I just think he has miles to go. I think the lineup posted above proves that we have a number of guys who really need to step up and/or holes to fill. Maybe Kravtsov surprises who knows but I don't expect much if this is what we roll with. I hope they shake things up by moving a few pieces out. Buch isn't a top line guy on any team, even the Rangers (we had two 2nd lines, all things considered). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't think Buch is a top line guy on a contending team nor do I think Kakko remotely deserves to be moved up to the top line at this point either. Not responding to you directly 31 I respect your opinion, I just think he has miles to go. I think the lineup posted above proves that we have a number of guys who really need to step up and/or holes to fill. Maybe Kravtsov surprises who knows but I don't expect much if this is what we roll with. I hope they shake things up by moving a few pieces out. I don't know that Kakko deserves 1st line either, but I don't like Buch. And I don't like him on the 1st line. There's really not another option though besides Kakko. Buch is just so soft and mentally weak, I really don't think he ads much to Mika and Kreider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't know that Kakko deserves 1st line either, but I don't like Buch. And I don't like him on the 1st line. There's really not another option though besides Kakko. Buch is just so soft and mentally weak, I really don't think he ads much to Mika and Kreider. Agreed re: weak. Body language and how you carry yourself is infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't know that Kakko deserves 1st line either, but I don't like Buch. And I don't like him on the 1st line. There's really not another option though besides Kakko. Buch is just so soft and mentally weak, I really don't think he ads much to Mika and Kreider. Same on Buch I would prefer to never see his pouting puss face ever again. Soft and weak is exactly how I see him as well. I do hope Kakko grows into a much better player over time. The more they shake things up the better to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Al Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 @AdamZHerman There's smoke around the Rangers and Matt Martin link lots of people have speculated about. One to watch for tomorrow when free agency opens. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 @AdamZHerman There's smoke around the Rangers and Matt Martin link lots of people have speculated about. One to watch for tomorrow when free agency opens. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Oh hell yeah. Gotta be honest. I always thought this was meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Please no. Other side of 30 and terrible possession numbers doesn't seem like an appropriate description for a UFA target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Other side of 30? So what? Our team is the youngest team in the league and just got younger losing Hank and Staal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Other side of 30? So what? Our team is the youngest team in the league and just got younger losing Hank and Staal. And Hank and Staal also stopped being good because they were on the other side of 30. That's the problem. Guys start trending down strongly in their late 20's in todays game and physical players like Martin always see the steepest and most sudden falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 And Hank and Staal also stopped being good because they were on the other side of 30. That's the problem. Guys start trending down strongly in their late 20's in todays game and physical players like Martin always see the steepest and most sudden falls. I don't think I'm suggesting signing him to a 7 year deal. But to flatly say over 30 contracts are no good is false. I'm hoping they bring in some vets this year. Koivu and an older Dman. Can't have the majority of the team being 21 and think they'll be successful. Take a look at teams that have success in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Don’t know how much Martin has left in the tank or what he would cost, but he is definitely the type player we will need when we are a playoff team. He was solid in the playoffs for the Isles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Got to be true because they predict it here.:slats: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I don't think I'm suggesting signing him to a 7 year deal. But to flatly say over 30 contracts are no good is false. I'm hoping they bring in some vets this year. Koivu and an older Dman. Can't have the majority of the team being 21 and think they'll be successful. Take a look at teams that have success in the playoffs.Agree with your first paragraph. It's a pipe dream to think you'll never have anybody on your team older than 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I want a physical presence too but I don’t want someone that literally might be on borrowed rime. He’s a shell of a hockey player these days in my opinion. Think Brashear lite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Got to be true because they predict it here.:slats: If that Granlund prediction is true, I'm selling Strome for best offer and signing Granlund instead. Seems a bit low though. I think he comes in closer to 6 and with more term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 If that Granlund prediction is true, I'm selling Strome for best offer and signing Granlund instead. Seems a bit low though. I think he comes in closer to 6 and with more term. they have him (Granlund) going to the Islanders. they show Erik Haula, Zach Bogosian, Dmitry Kulikov and Matt Martin coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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