Mistercosmic Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Howden seems to be part of the NHL right now because he was part of a big trade and his retooling team wants him desperately to succeed somehow. He didn't earned the job at a lower level, never played for Hartford down in the AHL despite his shortcomings and bad stats. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 I have no idea what you're talking about. No one said anything about if Howden is good or bad. That actually has nothing at all to do with the specific point I made to Josh which is if you are in the NHL, you had to have some success at lower level and therefore you can "play hockey". Playing it well is an entirely different discussion. But you bring up a point, almost every team has these players. I misunderstood, my mistake. For the record, I understand and can appreciate why Howden has been given more rope than his play would justify. I just think we're approaching a point in his trajectory in which he needs to do something with it to continue to benefit from his work ethic. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I misunderstood, my mistake. For the record, I understand and can appreciate why Howden has been given more rope than his play would justify. I just think we're approaching a point in his trajectory in which he needs to do something with it to continue to benefit from his work ethic. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkI hear you, but it's not like he's keeping anyone else who's worth a damn from a spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I hear you, but it's not like he's keeping anyone else who's worth a damn from a spot. We dont know that. Not to mention his effect on his linemates. Anyone that played on his line went there to die. This "he's in the NHL" as his top accolade still doesnt talk about his game. No one mentions energy, hitting, defense, faceoffs, physical play, positioning, passing, potential, size, etc etc. That's an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 We dont know that. Not to mention his effect on his linemates. Anyone that played on his line went there to die. This "he's in the NHL" as his top accolade still doesnt talk about his game. No one mentions energy, hitting, defense, faceoffs, physical play, positioning, passing, potential, size, etc etc. That's an issue. We do know that. Who's he blocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 We do know that. Who's he blocking? DiGuiseppe displaced him within a few shifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 I hear you, but it's not like he's keeping anyone else who's worth a damn from a spot. Right. Yet. It'll be an issue if we get there, though, and he continues to play because he's well-liked and works hard despite not producing. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 DiGuiseppe displaced him within a few shifts.Like I said, not blocking anyone worth a damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Like I said, not blocking anyone worth a damn And as I’ve said, playing him just to play him hasn’t worked out, and isn’t good enough anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 DiGuiseppe displaced him within a few shifts. Right. He's not blocking anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 And as I’ve said, playing him just to play him hasn’t worked out, and isn’t good enough anymore. hasn't worked out in which sense? Isn't good enough? You sure you don't mean Lundqvist or Trouba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 DiGuiseppe displaced him within a few shifts. And then DiGiuseppe displaced himself in the playoffs, while Howden looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Howden seems to be part of the NHL right now because he was part of a big trade and his retooling team wants him desperately to succeed somehow. He didn't earned the job at a lower level, never played for Hartford down in the AHL despite his shortcomings and bad stats. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I don't think that's necessarily the case. Hajek was touted as the big piece in that trade, and he has been afforded nowhere near the same leeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I don't think that's necessarily the case. Hajek was touted as the big piece in that trade, and he has been afforded nowhere near the same leeway.Hajek got promoted to the NHL squad despite of worrying underwhelming numbers down in the AHL and played first pairing minutes alongside Jacob Trouba. Without his injuries and the existence of Marc Staal he probably would be Howden 2.0 on the blueline. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Hajek got promoted to the NHL squad despite of worrying underwhelming numbers down in the AHL and played first pairing minutes alongside Jacob Trouba. Without his injuries and the existence of Marc Staal he probably would be Howden 2.0 on the blueline. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk He was called up for a 5 game cup of coffee when the season was over. He got some time this year due to injuries iirc. In any case, he has played 81 AHL games over the last two seasons whilst Howden has played 0. Injuries have been a factor, yes, but they're hardly getting a similar treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 He was called up for a 5 game cup of coffee when the season was over. He got some time this year due to injuries iirc. In any case, he has played 81 AHL games over the last two seasons whilst Howden has played 0. Injuries have been a factor, yes, but they're hardly getting a similar treatment. Defense is a more responsible position. If Hajek was a forward he probably would barely get any AHL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Hajeks progressions last season was good. The injury seemed to have a lingering affect on his play this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 He had five points (all assists) in 58 games for Hartford last season and was a -26. He struggled for a majority of the season, not performing up to the high expectations. His first five NHL games were solid but he didn't earned the call up because of good performances at a lower level. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I was talking about his first season, not this season. Hartford is a prospect killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 He had five points (all assists) in 58 games for Hartford last season and was a -26. He struggled for a majority of the season, not performing up to the high expectations. His first five NHL games were solid but he didn't earned the call up because of good performances at a lower level. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I don’t see how that’s relevant to the discussion. He’s clearly not been given anywhere near the leeway they’ve given Howden, so the idea that the main reason Howden is playing is because he was part of the McD trade seems far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Can't compare both positions. There are twelve possible spots for a Center/Winger but only three for a LD. I still believe that both players all in all got more ice-time in the NHL than they deserve because of the specific trade history. If we e.g. had given Ryan Graves, who had far better numbers at Hartford than Hajek, the same chances in the NHL he maybe would still be a Ranger. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Can't compare both positions. There are twelve possible spots for a Center/Winger but only three for a LD. I still believe that both players all in all got more ice-time in the NHL than they deserve because of the specific trade history. If we e.g. had given Ryan Graves, who had far better numbers at Hartford than Hajek, the same chances in the NHL he maybe would still be a Ranger. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I don’t disagree it’s “a” factor. I disagree with your initial point that it’s the determining factor. It’s true the positions are different, but Hajek was the piece they talked up after the trade, the one they demanded was included, the one that convinced them to include Miller in the deal. So, again, if being part of that trade was a determining factor in ice time awarded it stands to reason you’d have seen a lot more of Hajek. For clarity, I believe the main reason he’s being massively over used is because they’re in love with his character and intangibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Pronman rates Howden as the NYR's 5th best prospect, ahead of Kravtsov, Miller, Lindgren, et al. Didn't see that coming. Score another one for the eye test. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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