Phil Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 ?That?s none of my business,? Hayes told The Athletic Friday morning after practice. ?That?s my agent and Gorts, to be honest. I have no say in it. It?s Gorts? ultimate decision. Whatever he wants to do. I?m not expecting anything, but we?ll see in a couple of days. That?s why I have an agent. I just play hockey. ?Like I said, I?m not expecting anything to happen. Gorts has a plan that he probably has set in stone here. We?ll find out soon or ?? ?I have no idea what the Rangers are going to do at this point,? said Hayes? agent Robert Murray. ?That?s their decision more than ours. We?ll see what they do after the first.? Obviously there will be a dialogue then, but none is scheduled, Murray said. From a purely financial standpoint, Hayes ? given the way he?s played the last two seasons, and how eye-opening his improvement has been this season ? stands to hit the jackpot if he gets to July 1 unsigned. But the money is not his end goal, Murray said. ?We haven?t made any decisions on any of that,? Murray said. ?If the Rangers have an interest, we will listen. If they don?t, then we go to July 1. ?We?ll see what happens in the next eight weeks.? The Rangers and Hayes-Murray were unable to get that long-term deal done last summer, with the Rangers believed to have offered in the five-year range at under $6 million per. But they know it will cost them six years, most likely, and more than $6 million (say, $6.25 million or upward) to get him to sign an extension. He?ll get that on the open market. If the Rangers don?t want to go that high, then Gorton is virtually obliged to try to trade Hayes. In return, he?d likely demand a first-round pick at minimum, but possibly a young NHL-ready player or top prospect. https://theathletic.com/738253/2018/12/28/with-negotiations-about-to-begin-kevin-hayes-leaves-contract-or-trade-decision-up-to-the-rangers/?source=weeklyemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 He has certainly earned a good contract one way or another. Good for him. Wish we locked him up instead of Skjei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 He has certainly earned a good contract one way or another. Good for him. Wish we locked him up instead of Skjei. Agree. It's early but that Skjei contract is looking like it could be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 As good as he's been, I don't go six years for this guy. And definitely not over 6.5 per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 As good as he's been, I don't go six years for this guy. And definitely not over 6.5 per. If that's how the Rangers feel too then he won't be a Ranger past March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 Yup. His market value is basically 7x7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Yup. His market value is basically 7x7.that's even more powerful than my 4x4 jeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I don?t mind losing him I just hope the haul back for him is really good Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I have been a hater. But man, this guy really is playing at a level I never thought possible from him. With that being said I sell high. He really should fetch an interesting package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Yup. His market value is basically 7x7. bye, felicia. see what we can get for him at the trade deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I have been on the "Trade Hayes" side mostly because I thought his value was worth more in assets than in what he brought to the team. I'm starting to question that for a couple of reasons. First, he has gone from 3rd line production to high end 2nd line (borderline 1st line) production. He is on pace for 73 points. That increases his value to the team tremendously. Second, I'm not sure another team will be willing to give up assets for what his current production says he is. I think other teams will be trying to get him for his past production as a 3rd line rental, which I would absolutely not trade him if that is the return. At this point, I think the only way I trade him is if what is coming back is a defenseman in a similar position with similar potential, or a high end defensive prospect. Otherwise, I am resigning him and giving him the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ERIK- Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Im all on for trading him, he's been playing great, just worry giving this guy his money and he starts being lazy and unmotivated,how any times we seen that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I have been a hater. But man, this guy really is playing at a level I never thought possible from him. With that being said I sell high. He really should fetch an interesting package. What would "an interesting package" for Hayes look like iyo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 What would "an interesting package" for Hayes look like iyo? Hayes for Matthews and Marner Toronto will have to retain salary. Honestly Hayes is worth a mid late 1st round pick IMO, and perhaps a lower tier prospect. Obviously we?d like to see a proven NHL defender under age of 26 (Trouba)...but those are hand to come by. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Hayes under a good contract with term is worth a fuck tonne. Hayes for 20 games is worth shit. You're going to get a late 1st plus a throw in a la Lindgren or Rykov. In the words of David Quinn: "whoop de do" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Well that’s it, isn’t. You’re not selling high on him just because he’s playing well. He’s an UFA, flip him at the deadline and it’s a mid to late first and a prospect, possibly two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Foolish to get tight with the money and settle for a couple of picks and prospects, most of whom don't work out. How about Kevin Hayes for Emerson Etem, Tony DeAngelo, Anthony Duclair and maybe Steven Rice as a player to be named later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I am not trading Hayes for a late 1st round pick and a throw-in prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I am not trading Hayes for a late 1st round pick and a throw-in prospect. How value isn?t that great due to impending free agency. Right now many are 50/50 as to if he should even be signed for the term and money he will command. So a 1st round pick would be rather nice Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Then 3 years into his contract, the same people that didn?t want the 1st rounder now will beg teams to take his contract for a 7th rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 What would "an interesting package" for Hayes look like iyo? A mid first round pick and a good prospect, preferably a scoring winger or high end D man. I hope a middle of the pack type of team decides they need a center who is on fire and want to jump into the playoff race. A team like Carolina, Minnesota, Detroit, Colorado, Florida and such can maybe afford to gamble on Hayes staying red hot and launching them into the race. Or, if one of the top teams wants to put themselves over the top, maybe they'd be willing to move young assets that can step in right now. I don't know what a team like Winnipeg is willing to give up. Do they want to move Trouba? Does that make any sense for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 How value isn’t that great due to impending free agency. Right now many are 50/50 as to if he should even be signed for the term and money he will command. So a 1st round pick would be rather nice Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I thought that was a selling point for teams with low cap room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Then 3 years into his contract, the same people that didn?t want the 1st rounder now will beg teams to take his contract for a 7th rounder And the same people trading him for a late 1st rounder will be wondering what we have to show for Hayes when that pick busts. I need more of a sure thing in a deal for Hayes. I hope Gorton agrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 How value isn?t that great due to impending free agency. Right now many are 50/50 as to if he should even be signed for the term and money he will command. So a 1st round pick would be rather nice Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk That is why I am reconsidering his value to the team on an extension versus what he gets on the trade market as an impending UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Hayes has earned a new contract. I admit I wasn’t on board to resigning him and I still feel like a 7 year deal is likely to hurt on the back end. However the rangers have handed out contracts to far less proven players. While that doesn’t make it right I think at this point it should be viewed as such: What decision is the best for the development of the new core. While most of that core may not be here some is even if still in their infancy. Howden chytil Andersson would all probably benefit from Hayes being around getting the tough assignments not to mention the heat from fans and media. Yes Hayes may block a center spot but that isn’t a problem yet and may never be one. Hayes has developed here right before our eyes and if the rangers are fortunate enough one of those kids I just mentioned will develop to a plate of hayes’ quality. Unless the package is just to good to be true he should be resigned. Especially if we are to believe panarin or Karlsson are on their way this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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