Sod16 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 There was a day, before every kid got a trophy, when records reflected actual performance in real hockey -- namely records in regulation time. Given that there are no shootouts or 3 on 3 jamborees in the playoffs. Regulation records ultimately reflect the quality of a team. I look down the roster, and it's not that good, but it should be way better than 1-8-4. One regulation win in 13 outings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 they’ve held one lead all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Two regulation or overtime victories this season. Through 13 games. If that doesn't tell you who they are, nothing will. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I think the roster lacks top end firepower but is actually pretty deep. I think you write this group off at your own peril. Yes, they haven't held leads. Yes, they've picked up a lot of OT points, but I've only seen them truly outplayed once. They are working very hard and that counts for something in this league. Sustainable? Maybe not, but they could also improve as year goes on and some of the young guys mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 That's all great for building a foundational work ethic. It doesn't translate to many wins though, as their record indicates. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I think the roster lacks top end firepower but is actually pretty deep. I think you write this group off at your own peril. Yes, they haven't held leads. Yes, they've picked up a lot of OT points, but I've only seen them truly outplayed once. They are working very hard and that counts for something in this league. Sustainable? Maybe not, but they could also improve as year goes on and some of the young guys mature.They'll be bad enough to sell and worse after they sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 You're both probably right, but I'm going to hold on for another month or so. Take a look at their sched for next 5 weeks, they could play their way in to a decent spot if only temporarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 You're both probably right, but I'm going to hold on for another month or so. Take a look at their sched for next 5 weeks, they could play their way in to a decent spot if only temporarily. That would be awful, though. Being this decent and having a bad record is very good for the long term plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I'm not really sold on that. I think all it does is remove you from the Hughes/Kakko picture. Something that isn't even close to being guaranteed if they don't win another game all year. In exchange for that, you're not a fucking embarrassment and won't have the "lottery winner" millstone around your neck. If/when Edmonton, Buffalo, Toronto actually win something I think they get an asterisk for in my mind. Besides that, playing like they are and fostering a hard working, winning attitude is important. Perpetually losing can become a self fulfilling prophecy that can be difficult to escape. We're just coming off a decade long run of success where draft position was an afterthought. Teams don't need to suck forever to become successful. That's just one avenue. Our system is already so far ahead if where they were 18 months ago that's it completely unrecognizable. From arguably the worst to arguably a top 6 system. And, no matter what happens this year they're already set to add to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I think the roster lacks top end firepower but is actually pretty deep. I think you write this group off at your own peril. Yes, they haven't held leads. Yes, they've picked up a lot of OT points, but I've only seen them truly outplayed once. They are working very hard and that counts for something in this league. Sustainable? Maybe not, but they could also improve as year goes on and some of the young guys mature. I was pointing out their biggest downfall. Can’t hold leads, can’t win. And they should have enough vets to know how to hold more than one lead over 13 games. Yes, lack of bonafide first liners is a major issue, and a contributing factor to why they can’t win close games. I always stay optimistic. But that #1 C, or franchise forward is a major need. Not sure they’ll go out and get one this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I'm not really sold on that. I think all it does is remove you from the Hughes/Kakko picture. Something that isn't even close to being guaranteed if they don't win another game all year. In exchange for that, you're not a fucking embarrassment and won't have the "lottery winner" millstone around your neck. If/when Edmonton, Buffalo, Toronto actually win something I think they get an asterisk for in my mind. Besides that, playing like they are and fostering a hard working, winning attitude is important. Perpetually losing can become a self fulfilling prophecy that can be difficult to escape. We're just coming off a decade long run of success where draft position was an afterthought. Teams don't need to suck forever to become successful. That's just one avenue. Our system is already so far ahead if where they were 18 months ago that's it completely unrecognizable. From arguably the worst to arguably a top 6 system. And, no matter what happens this year they're already set to add to it.Playing well and losing isn't the same as playing poorly and losing. Quinn is also not treating losing as acceptable. That's what a losing culture comes in. I'm now worried about that. If I look at this team right now, it needs another top 10 pick because Chytil and Lias are pretty meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Well, not at first,.. but once you get the hang of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Playing well and losing isn't the same as playing poorly and losing. Quinn is also not treating losing as acceptable. That's what a losing culture comes in. I'm now worried about that. If I look at this team right now, it needs another top 10 pick because Chytil and Lias are pretty meh. They need a top 2 pick and they need to pick the consensus best available. If you tank without drafting a generational talent, what's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrangers Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 They need a top 2 pick and they need to pick the consensus best available. If you tank without drafting a generational talent, what's the point? That's the issue I have with it, you need a ton of suck followed up by being awfully lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 They need a top 2 pick and they need to pick the consensus best available. If you tank without drafting a generational talent, what's the point?They're not tanking. They're just not good. I don't think they NEED a top 2 pick, either. Top 10 would suffice in next year's draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Top.ten isn't bad , but the rangers really do need a top two pick,they been needing one for Long as s time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 As a matter of fact they been needing a top end forward since the gag line,them thats a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I watched Army play real hard against Air Force tonight and lose. Same problem we have ? they can hang with the other team but don?t finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 They're not tanking. They're just not good. I don't think they NEED a top 2 pick, either. Top 10 would suffice in next year's draft. Not tanking? They barely have an NHL lineup -- they didn't even try to put one together. This is a tank if we're ever going to see one. They're planning on finishing bottom 5 in the league. Top 10 is fine, but realistically, they need to draft a superstar. They just do. That's the blueprint to cup success in the NHL post lockout. To me, this season will have been a total waste if they're not up for the lottery. I believe that was the goal for this year and I believe they'll trade Zuccarello and Hayes to help that plan along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 They need a player. Don’t matter where they draft or who they sign. They need a franchise forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Not tanking? They barely have an NHL lineup -- they didn't even try to put one together. This is a tank if we're ever going to see one. They're planning on finishing bottom 5 in the league. Top 10 is fine, but realistically, they need to draft a superstar. They just do. That's the blueprint to cup success in the NHL post lockout. To me, this season will have been a total waste if they're not up for the lottery. I believe that was the goal for this year and I believe they'll trade Zuccarello and Hayes to help that plan along.That's not tanking. Tanking is purposefully trying to lose games. That's not what this is. This is a rebuild. This is moving out old players, keeping young cheap players, and getting them experience. The result of that is a team that's not good. If Staal and Lundy didn't have NMC they wouldn't be here. Tanking is what Pitt did to get Mario. They intentionally lost games. Fuck even Chicago didn't tank. You think the front office sat there and said "Let's be bad and draft high so we'll eventually be good!" No, they just had a cheap, shit owner who wouldn't pay anyone. This "tank" word is overused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 This years draft is meant to be very deep in terms of forwards, and significantly better than last year. A top 10 pick will get you a really good player. It seems the top 2 are in a league of their own though. And this season is the best chance the Rangers will have at getting one of the top picks. The roster is absolutely dreadful and one of, if not THE, weakest in the entire league. The "problem" is, even with that being the case, it's still good enough to finish better than bottom 5 if they get on a roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 It?s November, good teams start to separate themselves at the end of this month. The Rangers won?t be one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I think the roster lacks top end firepower but is actually pretty deep. I think you write this group off at your own peril. Yes, they haven't held leads. Yes, they've picked up a lot of OT points, but I've only seen them truly outplayed once. They are working very hard and that counts for something in this league. Sustainable? Maybe not, but they could also improve as year goes on and some of the young guys mature. Kinda how I look at it. And to me a win is a win. If it's in OT or regulation or shootout. And who really wants wins for this season. Fuckin LOSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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