Blue Heaven Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Mentioned on HNIC 2nd Intermission report that there is a lot of interest in Kevin Hayes. Winnipeg can be a destination to fill the void of Statsny. Nick Kypreos doesn?t think it would cost much, either a pick or a prospect. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Makes sense, hopefully he can turn that in to a pick and a prospect by the deadline via some strong play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Mobile link: Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Music to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Music to my ears. Like a symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 We have to believe we are not giving Hayes away though. If so, package his ass with Shatty or Staal. I haven't given up on him and he will be more valuable as a shutdown 3C than Bonino was for Pitt. He has lost weight, he is trying even if his face says he's not. Most importantly he causes more turnovers for teams trying to exit than any Ranger, combined with a decent skill set to counter attack and threaten. Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D. He's not going to play fast and furious D like Hags. He compliments guys like Hags or Fast on the forecheck, with his positioning and stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 We have to believe we are not giving Hayes away though. If so, package his ass with Shatty or Staal. I haven't given up on him and he will be more valuable as a shutdown 3C than Bonino was for Pitt. He has lost weight, he is trying even if his face says he's not. Most importantly he causes more turnovers for teams trying to exit than any Ranger, combined with a decent skill set to counter attack and threaten. Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D. He's not going to play fast and furious D like Hags. He compliments guys like Hags or Fast on the forecheck, with his positioning and stick.Why are you even worried about the Bonino role? We're 3-4 years away, and Howden will fill that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Plus he’s pricing himself out of that role. Would love to keep Hayes, but not at the salary he’ll be commanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Full send for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ERIK- Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Good,get rid of this doofy turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Zoinks! Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D. It's natural for fans to take a dim view of Hayes, because he's big and slows the game down. He's one of our better players, however, especially given the right type of complimenting players. He has a good board game, and as noted above, possession is very important! His improvement on defense and face offs has been marked. I watched him outfox Kopitar on a face off today and thought about how that never would have happened his first few years. The problem with trading Hayes (and Zuch) is that I believe they both would be willing to sign with us for their market value or even a bit of a discount, so they are not really pending UFAs from our perspective. They are, however, pending UFAs from a trade partner's perspective. I think trading them would amount to trading de facto non-UFAs for only UFA value. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 He needs to start producing if we want something for him. right now he's pacing aroundt 20 points lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 It's natural for fans to take a dim view of Hayes, because he's big and slows the game down. He's one of our better players, however, especially given the right type of complimenting players. He has a good board game, and as noted above, possession is very important! His improvement on defense and face offs has been marked. I watched him outfox Kopitar on a face off today and thought about how that never would have happened his first few years. The problem with trading Hayes (and Zuch) is that I believe they both would be willing to sign with us for their market value or even a bit of a discount, so they are not really pending UFAs from our perspective. They are, however, pending UFAs from a trade partner's perspective. I think trading them would amount to trading de facto non-UFAs for only UFA value. Not good.Neither player are part of the future of this team. Especially Hayes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Good,get rid of this doofy turd. LOL He does have that ?look? about him. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 totally looks like carl from caddyshack deduct him, get a nice draft pick, than reach for the intriguing kid from baluchistain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Why are you even worried about the Bonino role? We're 3-4 years away, and Howden will fill that role. Not worried about his role here, but the type of value he could provide to a team. Not just a 3C the way the Pens used Bonino, but he offers the versatility of a shutdown C, to stifle top lines in the playoffs. He can give a team with 2 good offensive C's more favorable situations. In terms of draft picks it means at least a #1 this draft. However, I feel like he is worth a bigger return because he can negotiate in January and would likely sign a team friendly deal to the playoff team that actually wanted him and his enigmatic ass for 4/5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 He's also early insurance in the event of catastrophic (or even shorter-term) injury. Not at all a bad 2C plug in a pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 He's also early insurance in the event of catastrophic (or even shorter-term) injury. Not at all a bad 2C plug in a pinch. Like Austin Matthews? They can have Hayes, Shatty and McQuaid all at 50% retention for Kapanen. They'd be interested in McQuaid and Shatty if they could Frankenstein them into 1 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Hayes is such a strong puck possession player. If he ever figures out how to not screw up the opportunities he creates for himself and others he really does have the potential to be a strong 25/25 to 30/30 player while providing shutdown defense. I am always so intrigued by the strengths of his game, yet always seem to come away disappointed by the end results. Similar to Kreider in a way in terms of the amount potential and talent (albeit different talent) that exists combined with underachieving production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Hayes is such a strong puck possession player. If he ever figures out how to not screw up the opportunities he creates for himself and others he really does have the potential to be a strong 25/25 to 30/30 player while providing shutdown defense. I am always so intrigued by the strengths of his game, yet always seem to come away disappointed by the end results. Similar to Kreider in a way in terms of the amount potential and talent (albeit different talent) that exists combined with underachieving production. Spot on Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 There are so many guys like that in and around the NHL. They have the ability, but lack that certain mentality, drive and/or single mindedness required to produce day in, day out in a gruelling 82 game season. It's very difficult, and few can actually do it. If Hayes could play to his potential most nights he'd be an excellent player. But his problem, one he shares with many, is that he can't do it consistently. Kreider is the same, and it's what is likely to result in them being decent players rather than very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Worth noting that Brooks has now mused over the question of whether what the Rangers would get back in a Hayes deal would actually be as good as Hayes is. If they decide to hold onto him, it definitely changes the face of the rebuild both for what they don't acquire in a deal and a potentially lower draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 If they decide to keep Hayes and sign him to a long-term deal, the rebuild is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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