Phil Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 It was reported months ago that the Vegas Golden Knights would be given a window before the expansion draft in which to talk to pending free agents. Should they sign one of them, the player would ?count? as the selection from his former team, making them exempt from giving up an additional player in the expansion draft. Today, Pierre LeBrun of TSN tweeted that not only will that window include unrestricted free agents, but unprotected restricted ones too with no offer sheets or compensation required. He clarified that he believes the window will take place at some point between when the teams need to submit their protection lists (June 17th) and when the Golden Knights make their picks (June 20th). The league is still working on when and how long exactly the window will be open, before announcing the picks on June 21st. While unprotected restricted free agents were theoretically always available to Vegas through the draft itself, it does open another interesting quirk in an already extremely complicated draft for the Golden Knights. The window will likely be spent talking to many RFAs to determine the likelihood of them signing long term in Vegas before picking/signing them, not wanting to lose an asset soon after acquiring it. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/05/restricted-available-signing.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Thought that was known a long time ago. It is only RFAs they can select in the draft. It allows them to know what it might cost to sign them if they claim them. So for us if we don't protect Fast and they may want to select him, they get a chance to talk with him to get a sense of what deal he would accept. If they are between say Raanta and Fast, knowing Fast might only be interested in getting to UFA as quickly as possible might effect their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Fuck Las Vegas. This gonna suck either way. Hate to lose one of Raanta, Fast or Grabner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Fuck Las Vegas. This gonna suck either way. Hate to lose one of Raanta, Fast or Grabner. I'd rather lose one of them than Lindberg, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Him aswell, dont want to lose any of them, but if one is out I guess it is Raanta. We always manage to find a good backup anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Fuck Las Vegas. This gonna suck either way. Hate to lose one of Raanta, Fast or Grabner. Grabner is having a career year.. he's going to get paid and will likely never be this good again. Immnot basing this on anything I just have this feeling. I would go crazy trying to re-sign him, at least not for what he will likely be asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Grabner is having a career year.. he's going to get paid and will likely never be this good again. Immnot basing this on anything I just have this feeling. I would go crazy trying to re-sign him, at least not for what he will likely be asking. Grabner is under contract for next season, so we probably don't need to worry about that too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 Losing Fast or Lindberg is going to suck, and that's exactly who they are most likely losing (versus one-year rentals in Grabner/Raanta). The only way I can see that not happening is if they throw a pick or prospect Vegas' way for them to take Holden or Klein instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Grabner is having a career year.. he's going to get paid and will likely never be this good again. Immnot basing this on anything I just have this feeling. I would go crazy trying to re-sign him, at least not for what he will likely be asking. It's happened in Grabner's career before, namely after a 34 goal rookie season with the Islanders. His goal totals the next three seasons were 20, 16, and 12. After that it was just paltry. He worked well with Hayes. Similar to Hagelin and Hayes, where a speedy winger works well on a line with Hayes. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I can already see it now Fast scores 30 goals and leads Vegas in PP points and didn't see a single full shift on the PP as a Ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 via Pierre LeBrun tweets, Interesting: have heard from teams who are contemplating using Vegas' unique free-agent window prior to June 21 in this fashion Team X could offer Vegas an asset in exchange for signing a pending UFA from another team during that unique window Then Vegas would flip that signed player to Team X. But key is that Vegas must wait until after expansion draft to flip the signed player That's because any signed free agent during the unique window counts as one of Vegas' roster picks for expansion draft? Might be worth the asset for Vegas if it counts as an expansion draft pick from a team that doesn't have much to select from to begin with And FYI, league source says all of this is permissible. Just another potential expansion draft week wrinkle?. http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/oh-this-should-be-fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progrocker Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Quickie played with more heart on this team than anyone other than Zucc and Hank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreiders Rider Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Quickie played with more heart on this team than anyone other than Zucc and Hank. He was excellent. Really really really really don't want to lose Fast. Grabner can pack his shit. Would be nice if they could manage to keep Lindberg too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progrocker Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Quickie is exactly the type of player this lackadaisical team needs to hang on to and need more of. He's all out on every shift. I think you have to keep him and Oscar here. And AV chomping that valium laced gum. Hit the bricks, pay him off. Get some type A guys in here, play with purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I would sacrifice a 3rd round pick to hold Vegas away from Lindberg/Fast. Give them a 3rd rounder and make them pick Klein (if that is allowed/possible ofcourse, dont know how this works). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Yes that's allowed. It's exactly what I'd do, too. Third round pick for the promise to take Klein or Holden. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 We can't lose Fast or Lindberg for nothing. Raanta would suck too, but that one would be easier to stomach. But Fast and Lindberg are two huge pieces of this team's defensive forward depth in the future. Both of them showed they were gamers when our alleged "stars" were nowhere to be found, so we know they're going to show up in the playoffs too, which is more than can be said for most of this team. Losing either one of them would be an absolute soul-crusher for me. They are way, way, way more important to this team than their roles, ice time and contracts would lead people to believe. Especially after losing Hagelin, I can't stomach losing one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I would sacrifice a 3rd round pick to hold Vegas away from Lindberg/Fast. Give them a 3rd rounder and make them pick Klein (if that is allowed/possible ofcourse, dont know how this works). No 3rd Round pick, traded to Detroit for Smith. Rangers have a 1st, Panthers 4th, 5th, Canucks 6th, and a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 No 3rd Round pick, traded to Detroit for Smith. Rangers have a 1st, Panthers 4th, 5th, Canucks 6th, and a 7th. We still have future year picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respecttheblue Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 No 3rd Round pick, traded to Detroit for Smith. Rangers have a 1st, Panthers 4th, 5th, Canucks 6th, and a 7th. Seriously I'd sacrifice a second in a future year. How many turn into pros you want to even keep anyway -- a bird in the hand in this case is worth a 2nd in the bush. We can't lose Fast or Lindberg for nothing. Raanta would suck too, but that one would be easier to stomach. But Fast and Lindberg are two huge pieces of this team's defensive forward depth in the future. Both of them showed they were gamers when our alleged "stars" were nowhere to be found, so we know they're going to show up in the playoffs too, which is more than can be said for most of this team. Losing either one of them would be an absolute soul-crusher for me. They are way, way, way more important to this team than their roles, ice time and contracts would lead people to believe. Especially after losing Hagelin, I can't stomach losing one of them. Totally with you on that. these guys are playing the game the right way. in the playoffs too. Keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreiders Rider Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Seriously I'd sacrifice a second in a future year. How many turn into pros you want to even keep anyway -- a bird in the hand in this case is worth a 2nd in the bush. Totally with you on that. these guys are playing the game the right way. in the playoffs too. Keepers. :word: Lindberg and Fast are finally paying off after being in the Rangers system. I'd give up picks no problem to keep them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenvold Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Can the Rangers do a deal that forces Vegas to draft a specific player? It would be incredible if they could be persuaded to take Marc Staal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Staal would have to agree, believe he has a NMC #MakeBSBHGreatAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share Posted May 16, 2017 Can the Rangers do a deal that forces Vegas to draft a specific player? It would be incredible if they could be persuaded to take Marc Staal. Yes. They can entice McPhee with draft picks, for example. Staal would need to waive his NMC in order to be exposed. Highly unlikely. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 You guys didn't tell Marc that I'll be in Vegas to watch him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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