Dave

In a standard Fantasy Novel, I have no doubt Sansa would be establishing a group of spies by now, conspiring with Varys and propably Tyrion to help her brother from within.

Unfortunately for her, Martin took a more realistic route.

 

Btw. Arya was lucky to get away with that Night's Watch guy. What could she have done in Kings Landing? Aside from pointless rebellious behavior?

And of the two girls, Arya was a tomb boy. She was not the female standard.

If you want a comparable for Sansa, it's Margaery. And if Renley chopped off her Grand Mother's head in front of her and went to war against Loras, while being absolutely evil all the time, her demeanor might be different as well.

and she'll never say what she thinks will be wrong because shes seen what happens when others do. She's very much a pawn in the game of thrones, and only time will tell if that changes.

I like the way they parallel her and Margaery. Just about the same age. Same position. Much different girls.

It's not that I don't like her character. I don't like the girl playing her.

Oh, that's a different story all together. I think she's...OK, but doesn't look 14 at all.

Sansa lives in a fantasy world. That's her problem. She's playing the part of the princess 14 year old girl who refuses to give up on the dreams she was taught as a child.

14 year old girl that watched her father's head get chopped off by the king she was supposed to marry. Not to mention all the other torments she's gone through since. You guys are ruthless. I hope you all realize that a lot of what she says now is what she thinks other people want to hear or that she's supposed to say. She's trying to survive.

Sure, she was relieved thinking maybe, after this nightmare she's been in, that she'd get to have her happy ending with Loras, but who wouldn't in her situation?

This is most real women's notions in real life as well....until they grow up a little...but some never stop hoping for it......don't see why it's so strange that a REAL princess in just her teens who has been told it will happen that way constantly her whole life and she has been bred for it all along gets a bit disappointed when she ends up with either a maniacal sadist asshole twerp who put her dads head on a spike in front of her or a deformed midget with his nose cut off....give Sansa a break man...lol

That childhood fantasy, to me, is kind of a shell she's created given the reality she's had to deal with. If she can just endure the current reality, the fantasy may still become a reality.

I don't think we were really "dissecting" her. Peetie made a comment about her fingers that was the only "detailed" comment made so far.

Maybe I over reacted. Still feels wrong to me, but to each their own, right?

So it's perverted now to say a girl is pretty? (or not?)

It's a little pervy to be dissecting the looks of a girl who, over the course of the show in question, has gone from 14-17 years old in real life.

She's 17 you pervs.

:bravery:

I was peeking at IMDB for a bit, and I saw that people actually think that Ygritte > Melisandre.

 

I just don't see it. I think Melisandre is gawg.

You know nothing.

I laugh more at Lady Olenna's quips, but I liked that one quite a bit.

That scene between her and Tywin was gold.

Agreed, when watching that scene even my wife mentioned what a great actor he really is. amazing scene. Also Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister...man he's so fucking good..talk about screen presence......what an amazing job he's doing..amazing. Love that character and he just simply owns every scene he's in.

This. In every scene he's been in, there's never any question as to who is the most powerful person around. The episode was decent. My wife feels a ton of compassion for Sansa.

Well Theon's story line is somewhat different. Wonder where they are taking it.

Obviously can't discuss it here in any detail, but because of the split with the books, this probably just fills in the gap.

theyre definitely keeping it closely guarded, and may not even tell us hes actually him as hes listed in the cast as "boy"

Well, in the books we didn't know at first either, if memory serves.

Wasn't he glorified as like a handsome guy in the book? Didn't picture him like that in the picture, but I viewed other photos on google and he looks like he can fit

Actually, it's the opposite. He was called very average looking in the book.

Barely a spoiler but still:

Does NOBODY ELSE SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TORTS AND THE WHITE WALKER?!

Torts wishes his playoff beard was as long as the White Walker.

Mance starts a whole new chapter. It's best he not meet him until Season 3.

I get the issue that he's not cast yet, but even having him meet a shadowy figure or something like that, the back of the guy's head where you see Jon in front of him, or what ever, still has more journey's end kind of thing than just looking out over a cliff. Most of the other characters didn't have a full on conclusion, they just had an obvious turn in their story. Danny got her dragons back. Arya is free and heading home. The young Stark boys are heading for the wall. Tyrion is alive, back to his black sheep role and his whore still loves him. Robb gets married. Theon has lost Winterfell. Jeoffry is marrying what's her face, Sansa stuck around and my guess is will be whored out by Little Finger. Stannis was defeated but hasn't given up. Etc, etc. They've all gotten through their current season's adventure and moving on to their next one.

Jon is looking out over a cliff. There's no transition there.

Episode 9 had great action, but this episode was absolutely fantastic. I loved everything. I don't agree with everything, but so many ideas, questions, cliffhangers and new set-ups. The one issue I have is that it is less of an ending than last years season. This was effectively just wrapping up some little endings and dropping a bomb.

 

Meh, the episode and season were great, but the cliffhangers are a little too big for a season finale.

That's kind of how I felt, too. It was a great episode, had me going along, and definately left me wanting more, but I feel like a season finale has to deliver more as well. Most of the characters found resolution to their journeys across the season. I thought the balance could have been shifted properly by giving John Snow's arch more finality and then ending with the white walkers at the wall. Obviously, I don't know what awaits his meeting with the king of the wildlings, but I think we should have seen that to complete his arch for this season.

 

Look at the singer.

 

WHAT THE FUCK? LOLOLOLOLOL

If I was an imp and had to choose a champion, that guy'd be it.

He did.

 

What you SHOULDN'T have expected - Loras Tyrell leading the charge.

I was like, oh shit it's Renly's boyfriend! Made sense, but I never saw it coming. Then I realized it was him and Tywin. That also kind of makes sense, as they have a mutual enemy in Stannis.

Both well in tune with logic, but it's still not quite right with the way that type of thing SHOULD happen. Believer or not, he has to understand he's King, and as King it's not his job to lead the charge at every turn. That's what he has commanders for. They should have been the first up the walls, not him.

 

But I do agree, it parallels QUITE well against Joffrey's cowardice, and gives them a nice set-up with him having been captured.

 

I'm actually not worried about it lining up with the books. The books are the books. The TV show is just a TV show based off an adaptation. It can have it's own route.

My girlfriend and I argue about this constantly with movies. Sitting in the movie theater, every time there is some disconnect, I can feel her turning to whisper to me about it and every walk out of the theaters' postscript begins with what was different. Drives me loopy. I only like exploring the differences as they relate to story telling in the different mediums. Why they made the choices they did or how they might have resolved the differences in a better way.

Thought the same, and with no back-up?

Not sure whether that jives with the book or not, but a couple of things. First, it parallels really well against Joffrey hiding behind his mother's skirt. Second, Stannis is a believer and believers don't always do what's rational.

she doesn't do it for me..

Well, off with her head then, I guess.