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1 minute ago, Flynn said:

I don't give a fuck that Drury will pay MUCH more than he got when he traded Buch away. Bring that man home. 

 

There is no better fit for the 1st line.

 

Bread and Igor are happy.

 

Make it happen. Figure out next years cap in July.

Buchnevich is the right fit, imo.

We need someone who plays RW. Check

We need someone who can play top 6 minutes. Check

Luxury item, but someone who can be defensively responsible and offensively threatening. Check

Again, luxury, but someone who can eat special teams minutes. Check

We need someone who can work with the Wonder Twins. That's a big check that nobody else on the market can tick off.

Get him back at 50%. Pay the first, send them Jones and McConnell-Barker or whatever, and make this happen.

Key details for those of you who were holding out on this to buy Wennberg jerseys.

14 minutes ago, Pete said:

I feel like they're just pointing to the idea that if he was coming to the Rangers it would have happened already. I can't see what more needs to be negotiated, it's not like the Rangers are ripe with middle round picks or top end prospects they are willing to part with. 

I think they're coping with the GMs basically moving the deadline back two days and staring down the Fyre Festival of Friday.

Either that, or offers are in and Dubas is trying to leverage everyone against each other.

41 minutes ago, Pete said:

Yup. Bring our magnet obsessed, mopey goof back home.

5 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

I think less is more here.  All we need is a player that can get in on a forecheck, shoot and create chances for that 1st line.  If Zibby starts playing like the Zibby we know, we're all set.

 

Kredier is gonna Kreider...just get them a little speed, and a little scoring touch up there and we're off!

 

If Vatrano is too expensive, go with Duclair. 

The price that Anaheim was asking for Henrique and Vatrano was 1st+Kakko. They ended up moving Henrique and Carrick for 1st and 5th. 

I have to imagine that Vatrano would be pretty pricey, and when you have Guentzel and Toffoli and Buchnevich and Zucker and Duclair out there - guys who aren't just feasting on PP time and playing acceptable but unimpressive 5v5....I don't think paying the premium for Vatrano makes sense here.

4 minutes ago, Morphinity 2.0 said:

God he'd fit perfect there. 

Yup. Dude's genetically engineered to play for Brind'Amour

4 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said:

 

How about Sammy Blais and a draft pick?

I have it on the record that this trade worked before.

1 minute ago, Pete said:

It's not. So your GM should do the same thing Vegas is doing. 

Yup. 100%. If it's legal, take it to the nth degree. Banners fly forever, cap hits are temporary.

On a related note, Jacob Trouba was looking super limpy the other day, no?

Just now, Vodka Drunkenski said:

The draft is always a crap shoot.  I always have a tougher time trading the prospects because at least you’ve seen them develop and have a better understanding of what they can be.  

Yeah. That's true. When you know that second-round pick is Will Cuylle or Ryan Lindgren, that's another story. But right now, that pick is merely a 17 year old with a 16% chance of making the NHL and sticking. 

Just now, Pete said:

Nobody knows what the players will develop into, however most agree there's a huge talent drop off after maybe the first 15 picks. That second rounder is likely netting you a third round talent in any other draft. 

 

Most agreed that Lafreniere and Kakko were things they aren't. That said, since nobody has a crystal ball, all you can do is go with the forecast.

 

Don't be the guy that complains about the winter weather alert after the fact when we only got 4 in of snow... They're only reporting with the models say. 

We also know enough to know that scouts are actually kinda good at their jobs. We know that a guy picked in the late first round is usually a coinflip to become an NHL regular, a guy drafted in the second is more of a 3-in-10 chance....like....we're not selling ironclad things here. We're selling hope.

And to be fair - yeah, sometimes teams fuck up enough in tandem that David Pastrnak is sitting there in the early 20s. But that's not the normal case and those situations are pumping UP the outcome data.

Just now, Pete said:

Addressing third line center and first line right wing with a third line center and a first line right wing... Not sure what the complaints are about. 

Mystery box value assessments of draft picks.

This is a 10-player draft in which we will, at best, hold like...26 and 58. Chalk this one up as a "who fucking cares" in my book.

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Most likely Rempe. I could see them rotating him and Edstrom depending on the opponent and the chance of shenanigans. 

Dom Loosechicken is already tracking shenanigans/60

Seems like we're official here. Starting the "trade completed" thread. Will let this slow burn for a bit before closing it up.

And so ends the Adam Henrique to the Rangers rumor era. Much to the relief of our resident @Phil

Henrique might be off the table in just a bit

1 minute ago, BrooksBurner said:

Agreed. It’d be more like a 1st, 2nd, and Berard. A couple tough pieces to lose but not a blue chip

Yep. Exactly. Bang-the-fuck-on.

Would hate losing Berard, but we're so stacked at LW that he's an expendable chip. That's the level we should be thinking here.

I think we need to cool it with the big trade packages here. 

These things never happen the way we think they do. Every year, there's a big prize and every year it's "oh, it's going to take a first and another first, and the guy you used your first rounder on last year, and evidence of a virgin birth" to get them. And every year, it's the same goddamn package for the big guy - a 1st, maybe a conditional 1st on top, a mid-level prospect with some promise, and someone you haven't heard of.

Sometimes, that works out. We got Ryan Lindgren for Rick Nash! 

Sometimes, it doesn't. See - Ryan McDonagh trade.

But under absolutely no circumstances should we be thinking that Kakko, Othmann, or Perreault are on the table for a pure rental like Guentzel. It's simply never the case. And it shouldn't be, because if nobody wants to pony up the young prospect, the Penguins can just let him sit there and be on the Penguins at 3pm on Friday. And get nothing.

1 minute ago, Blue Heaven said:

Why wouldnt they just send them down today and recall them Saturday since their arent any games in between now and then?

Don't quote me on this, but I think NHL salaries are paid out by days on active roster, not games played. So sending them down for any extended period of time would cut their salaries to their AHL levels for an extended period of time. It would create an additional 70k in cap space or so over the course of the week, but I can't imagine how that moves the needle more than these kids actually getting their NHL paychecks. 

Can we just all agree on one thing?

We will not freak out when Matt Rempe, Will Cuylle, and Adam Edstrom are all sent to Hartford on Friday for the "playoff eligibility paper transactions"

4 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

 

I'm ok with a 1st for Vatrano half retained if it carries a strong conditional. In the McDonagh trade, the Rangers accepted a 2nd round pick the following year that would convert to a 1st round pick if Tampa won the year of the trade or the year after. That sounds reasonable here. 2025 1st round pick conditional on the Rangers winning a Cup this year or next. Otherwise, it's a 2nd. None of this ECF bullshit. Not good enough. Already fucked us with Copp.

I'd rather give this years pick tbh. Both drafts are very top-heavy, but we're clear enough on there being little difference between 10 and 55 in this draft. 

That, and a general manager/president never looks at it that way. The ECF conversion is paying a pick that has a 15% likelihood of being a decent NHLer - not a star, a player - for a player and at minimum six home games of playoff revenue. In 2022, that was nearly $5m a game. Might be closer to $6 this year. The Rangers would look at that as if it were trading #29 overall for Vatrano and $36m. More, if they're a top seed and these series' go long, which....we're the Rangers. They do.

And that, my friend, is a trade they make every single day.

So, let's close that door then.

Also, just gonna say it....make the goddamn pick conditional on making the ECF like you know you want to and get the deal done for Frankie V, Dru. 

Just now, RichieNextel305 said:

I see your point for sure. Players like him can’t be measured strictly by what the scoresheet says about them. 
 

And he did play well last night. I’m not 100% doom and gloom with him.

 

All I’m saying is that the intangibles he does bring, have slipped a bit this year. And that, coupled with his cap hit and literal lack of any offensive capabilities, point to us having an off-season issue Drury is going to have to address IMO.

 

But believe me, I agree. If he can play like he did last night come playoffs, I’d be fine with it.

I don't know if there's a world where Goodrow is on this team next year. His buyout is just not prohibitive at all. The only year his contract significantly exceeds league minimum in a buyout circumstance is the one year we can unequivocally take the hit (all we would need is for Trouba and Panarin to each agree to a 1m/y pay cut, and both will agree to bigger cuts than that if they want to stay). 

But, for now? Eh. Not worth bringing up the offseason until, I hope, mid-June.

1 minute ago, RichieNextel305 said:

Not that we’re counting on him to be a 25-goal guy. But, one? And that one came in the dying seconds of a blowout loss in November. And on top of that, his defensive game hasn’t been what it has been in the past.

 

I have always liked Goodrow. I liked the signing and thought it was necessary to bring guys with experience into the room when we did it. And I even didn’t bat an eye at his AAV when the deal was then signed because I felt he would come close to matching his worth a good chunk of the length of it.

 

That said, with guys like Cuylle emerging, it’s coming to that point where I think Drury is going to need to make a decision on him fairly early come the off-season. Because the well looks pretty dry right now. I know he’s the type of guy you want on your side in a playoff series. And maybe he will find his strider by then and play a more complete game and be who he once was. But man, I hate to go to the goal totals with a player like this, but 1? 1?!

I have never been a Goodrow apologist, but games like last night's make me feel like this doesn't matter too much. Goodrow was noticeable in good ways. He got in front of shots, took away lanes, and made smart plays.

He's a guy you use almost exclusively in defensive situations, and he excels as that guy. Yeah, he makes too much for his boxcars or his advanced stats, but I'm willing to tolerate it for this playoff run at the very least because I think his value shines through when the ice gets smaller and the stakes get higher.

This is cliche. It isn't backed up by the numbers. I know that. And still, it's cliche for a reason.

As I said last night. we went toe-to-toe with them the whole way. Barkov had the assist of the goddamn season to break through for the first goal. When they got the winning bounce, they showed us how to work to defend a lead and close a game. All credit goes to the Panthers for that third period - that was a masterclass in how to win a one-goal game.

There's not much of a gap here right now. And if I were Chris Drury or Bill Zito, I'm feeling pretty good after that one. Make the moves and lock horns again in two weeks.