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I think Gordie is getting old and maybe it’s time for some new blood there. But every scout/GM/personnel guy has their misses. Yzerman and the guys in Tampa nailed picks like Vasilevsky, Kucherov, Point, etc. But they also picked Slater Koekoek and Brett Conolly at 10th and 6th overall respectively.

Glad you’re saying this. I hope more people feel this way. There’s nothing I’ve seen with either Lias or Chytil to where it looks like they made a mistake Everyone needs to just relax on Lias. He doesn’t turn 21 till October and he’s played less than 50 NHL games, on bad teams with limited ice time And his offensive ceiling isn’t huge either. From the outset, his development track is that of a good to very good 2-way center, which he can absolutely reach. He’s shown flashes, and his work ethic is above reproach. Just be patient and see where we are when he’s at 200 games. Same goes for Chytil, who is a full year younger and who everyone said had high end potential but would need quite a while to grow and learn to realize it, as he was the youngest player in his draft class. Had he come out in 18 instead of 17, he may well have been a top-10 pick. My point is, neither of these guys were touted as immediate or even early impact guys. From the beginning, it was made clear they’d both need time to develop. Both still very early on in that process We won’t know for sure on either of them for a while. Possibly the latter stages of 2021, or early 2022. Let them play, fail, and learn. Let the talent around them improve and do the same. Be patient

I agree. I’m spitballing. Not advocating trading him. Georgiev thus far looks like a player. Not sure where this came from exactly. With Shestyorkin it isn’t quite the same as with drafting a kid out of Juniors or College that’s 18-21 He’s 23 and has been playing against grown men in a very good professional league for the last 3+ years.

If it’s a team looking for goalie help now, they’d be more likely to trade for one that’s established. Nothing takes longer to develop than a goalie. It’s generally 3-5 seasons post their draft year. If it’s a highly touted elite guy like Carey Price or Hart, you’re usually still looking at 2-3. Hank took 5. Brodeur took 4. Hasek took like 8.

Does a late first and a year of Kreider get it done for Edmonton’s pick at 8? Also, Krieder has limited no trade. Would he agree to Edmonton? If I’m Edmonton I’d want more for a top 10 then that. 7th overall and DeAngelo in a so so draft 2 years ago cost them Step and Raanta, with Step on a long-term deal and Raanta coming cheap.

No. That’s too much for 13. That deal could maybe fetch top 10 though with the right partner. I’m saying Georgiev and other pieces to Florida could fetch 13 possibly.

Georgiev, Krieder, Jets pick, and a 2nd maybe. If they?re dealing up in the draft though , they don?t need to go top-10. If they dealt a package to move into say, 11-16ish, that would work too. For example, Florida has pick 13. They need a goalie. Maybe you find a partner there.

They can go either way. Panarin is not a necessity and he never has been, IMO. And it’s entirely possible he picks Florida, which I actually think is more likely, so it may be a non-issue. If they do get him, it’s fine. And I don’t think signing him will initiate some return to spending big on FA’s. They’ve established a plan and philosophy and stuck to it so far, and I think they like where it’s going. Can’t see major departure from that.

Either one will be fine. They’re both going to be fantastic, franchise players that you can build around for the next 10-15 years. Just have to see how they both play over the next 9-10 weeks leading up to the draft and who the Devils like best.

Guys lose their legs and speed as they age, and then they lose their effectiveness and roster spot to younger, faster players. Maybe Kreider keeps it. Maybe not More likely that he does decline, given the style you mentioned of going to the net and dealing with bodies and traffic. That style contributes to injury risk too Your point about Panarin is reasonable though. Puck is on his stick a lot and he has to deal with defenders checking and converging on him as a result. But he’s in the dirty and dangerous areas less than Kreider I would say. There’s risk with both. But Panarin is the better player for certain, so I’d be more inclined to roll the dice on him than Kreider.

I’m Exactly my feeling as well. For the right term and money, they should still look at keeping him around. But I don’t think they will get to where they should with him. Any extension he signs wouldn’t kick in until the 20-21 season, so a 5 year deal still brings them to his 34th birthday at the tail end of the final season, which I don’t like. I just can’t imagine an outcome wherein he’s very productive and actually worth his salary in the last 2, or more likely last 3 seasons of that deal. Even in today’s game, power forwards scare the shit out of me after age 30.

While the traditional power forward is a dying breed, Kreider’s game is reasonably close to that. Coupled with how heavily he relies on his speed, a player like him with that skill set being the best points of his game, you get a type of player that doesn’t usually age too well. Obviously you never know and it can go either way. But the physicality and leaning on that straight line speed, when the legs start to go, the speed decreases, and the banging around exacts it’s toll, players like that are typically of minimal productivity and effectiveness after ages 31ish.

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Absolutely I agree with you mostly. It?s a risk to sign a guy to big dollars into his mid-30?s. Always. But there are some things with Panarin that make it at least seem a little safer. Hypothetically if he were to sign elsewhere, it is by no means the end of the world. Personally I?d be fine with staying out of FA waters and just letting the kids play. It?s my feeling that even with Panarin next year, it?s likely they?re a bubble team or a wild card who gets beat in round 1 as the most likely scenario. Now that is an important step, but the world doesn?t end if that doesn?t happen next season, and if they were to miss the playoffs again next year, another year with a possible high pick doesn?t hurt you in a rebuild.

There’s definitely guess work involved. And no one knows for sure how a particular player will age until he ages. But it is a bit more favorable when there are fewer games played. Makes you a little less anxious about handing a player a contract that runs into his mid-30’s.

Panarin?s 283 KHL games are actually spread out over 7 seasons, never more than 54 games in a season and I?m not counting his international play. Another thing to think about.

No true formula really. Think of it like this. Typically by age 27-28, an NHL player who entered the league at 20-21 will have played a minimum of 550-600 games. More if you’re drafted high and enter the league at 18-19. Tavares as an example is 28, turning 29 in September, entered the league at 19 and is in his 10th season. He has played 750 NHL games. Panarin is a year younger, has played only about half of that, at around 320. Just less NHL miles. Even with his games in Russia, he’s still way below what he’d be had he come over here at 18-20. Plus the Russian league is not as physical, seasons are much shorter, and the competition isn’t quite as good. That’s the basis for the “low mileage “ argument with him, and it applies.

I agree with you on Panarin and your logic as to why. But there is still at least a fair degree of risk giving a guy any long-term contract that pays big dollars until age 34-35. But like you I?m less wary on him. I?m on the fence with Krieder. But that situation needs to be resolved before camp opens in September. Extend him or deal him in the next 4-5 months. They absolutely should not let this spill over into another season. They?ll get more for him in next 4 months with a full year left on his deal than they would in February of 2020 at the deadline. Shit or get off the pot.

That’s what’s happening. Guys are establishing themselves big time on their ELC, and teams are giving them 6-8 years and locking them up until they’re 28-29, so there isn’t tons of prime seasons left when they hit the market. That is the risk on Panarin. Turns 28 in October. Gets a 7 year deal. How many prime seasons at huge money will they actually get?

Off the board at 6-10 wouldn’t surprise me at all given their history and if they scout a guy heavily and they love him, it’s fine. If they won a pick 1-3, I’d be very surprised if they went off the board.

It’s fairly likely even fewer guys hit free agency or test those waters because leaving your current team to sign with a different one costs you a year and millions of dollars on any contract you sign. The guys that do and will leave in the future are doing so to escape a place they don’t want to be or to go to a place they really want to be. If Panarin wanted to be in Columbus he’d just sign an extension. JT desperately wanted to be in Toronto. Stamkos did just as you said. Flirted, but never got serious about leaving.

Gabby was signed as a free agent.

No way they move him without him asking and no way he’s asking now. But another couple of seasons of futility...

Lmfao! Totally understand your pessimism but please don?t jinx them.

I don’t think he’d ask for a trade now, just 1 year into that massive deal. And Rangers should stay away. The price for him will be astronomical. 5-6 really big pieces is what it would likely cost, and that would set them back considerably.