RichieNextel305 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I’m fine with getting Eichel, though I don’t think he fills a glaring need. But if you can get a player of this caliber at pennies on the dollar in terms of asset management, then sure. Especially if you are trading Strome, who I like, in the process. If they retain on Eichel and take Strome, you’re talking about (for next season at the very least) adding Eichel for only a few million. They need to make sure there is enough cap space and trade capital to address their holes in the bottom-6. If you can get Eichel while doing that, all power to you. But, this is all speculation because we first need to know what is going on with his neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It's basically the Ryan O'Reilly trade with some slightly better pieces. We all know how well that one worked for STL :) Cup + Conn Smythe winner? Please and thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 If the Rangers actually do trade for Eichel, you have to believe they did their due diligence on the injury. It's a franchise altering move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Al Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Inside the Sabres: Evaluating 5 possible landing spots for Jack Eichel New York Rangers Projected cap space: $23.775 million. Potential NHL targets: Center Filip Chytil, winger Kaapo Kakko, winger Vitali Kravtsov, goalie Alex Georgiev, defenseman K’Andre Miller, Pavel Buchnevich. Prospects to consider: Center Morgan Barron, winger Lauri Pajuniemi, center Karl Henriksson, defenseman Zac Jones, winger Will Cuylle, defenseman Nils Lundqvist. The Rangers can make an Eichel trade work if they are willing to move Alexis Lafreniere or Kaapo Kakko, but it sounds like newly appointed General Manager Chris Drury doesn’t want to go that route. The Sabres also aren’t in need of a defenseman, so neither K’Andre Miller nor Nils Lundqvist are all that attractive as part of an Eichel trade. A package built around Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov and Alex Georgiev would not be enough for me to pull the trigger on a deal, either. The Rangers can try to convince Adams by agreeing to part with Pavel Buchnevich, a 26-year-old wing with 20 goals in 54 games this season. Buchnevich is a restricted free agent, but the Sabres can afford to give him a new contract. Buffalo also should push to acquire winger Vitali Kravtsov. A 21-year-old who spent most of this past season in Russia, Kravtsov was drafted ninth overall in 2018. Georgiev, 25, has a .912 save percentage in 96 career NHL games. While the Rangers have a glaring need at center and reportedly had interest in Eichel last offseason, they likely won't be willing to part with the assets necessary to make a deal that works for Buffalo. Possible trade package: Buchnevich, Kravtsov, Georgiev and a 2021 first-round draft pick (15th overall). https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabres/inside-the-sabres-evaluating-5-possible-landing-spots-for-jack-eichel/article_7151340e-c868-11eb-9d0e-671f5ae72530.html Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It's not an awful proposal by any means, but the fact it includes (arguably) the Rangers top two right-wings makes it logistically uncomfortable. The post-trade solution, barring a free agent signing, would effectively be to move Kreider to the right (something I've already suggested should happen sooner rather than later anyway) and then hope and pray Kakko's much improved defense finally brings along some offense with it as the team's 2RW. Panarin - Eichel - Kreider Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko Blackwell - Strome - Chytil Barron - Rooney - Gauthier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Al Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It's not an awful proposal by any means, but the fact it includes (arguably) the Rangers top two right-wings makes it logistically uncomfortable. The post-trade solution, barring a free agent signing, would effectively be to move Kreider to the right (something I've already suggested should happen sooner rather than later anyway) and then hope and pray Kakko's much improved defense finally brings along some offense with it as the team's 2RW. Panarin - Eichel - Kreider Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kakko Blackwell - Strome - Chytil Barron - Rooney - Gauthier Need a heavyweight to ride shotgun. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Need a heavyweight to ride shotgun. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk That's not my suggested lineup, it's what you basically end up with barring any other moves. Drew a Penalty and I were talking offline and came to the same solution for the fourth line: sign Martinook and Bellemare. Bellemare - Rooney - Martinook Probably carry Barron as an exra to sub in and out with Bellemare throughout the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 The trouble is, whatever package you might send for Eichel, it would not leave enough, or at least not permit enough flexibility, for the get grit deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 The trouble is, whatever package you might send for Eichel, it would not leave enough, or at least not permit enough flexibility, for the get grit deals. That depends on what is being shipped out the door. If you send Strome and say Buchnevich together in a deal, you are only talking about adding another $2.25 Million to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 If they get Eichel, both Strome and Zibanejad have a year left in NY, at most. Eichel is an upgrade over both, and you need middle 6 C that checks different boxes in order to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'll treat this Eichel trade how the Cops taught us to treat drugs in middle school. JUST SAY NO!!! Not what this team needs at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'll treat this Eichel trade how the Cops taught us to treat drugs in middle school. JUST SAY NO!!! Not what this team needs at the moment. yeah but then what did you end up doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Trading for Eichel would bring us back to the Phil Esposito school of management. I wouldn't sign the guy right now if he were a UFA at $10m plus, so I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets for the privilege of paying him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I've been going back and forth on it more lately, leaning more towards 'no. The neck issue is concerning and any team who wants to trade for him really should do their homework when it comes to injury like that. If it's something that's going to permanently hamper a skilled player like that, I would worry, especially as they get older. A skilled player who could have a hard time actually keeping his neck on a swivel is not ideal. I also don't think he seems to have the best attitude. I know Buffalo has been really bad and he's frustrated and speaking out, I get it. But, there's something about him that just rubs me the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjeitheday Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'd much rather they moved Buchnevich, Jones and Blackwell for Reinhart and a pick. Reinhart has a tremendous shot. He doesn't pass up shots. He's a north-south guy. Tough. On a better team he will pump in 35-40 goals every year. He's the guy I would target there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'd much rather they moved Buchnevich, Jones and Blackwell for Reinhart and a pick. Reinhart has a tremendous shot. He doesn't pass up shots. He's a north-south guy. Tough. On a better team he will pump in 35-40 goals every year. He's the guy I would target there. Good player. Underrated. Putting up three straight 20+ goal seasons for the Sabres is no easy feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'd much rather they moved Buchnevich, Jones and Blackwell for Reinhart and a pick. Reinhart has a tremendous shot. He doesn't pass up shots. He's a north-south guy. Tough. On a better team he will pump in 35-40 goals every year. He's the guy I would target there. dont see the reason to trade all of that for someone we already have in Buch. But i definitely love Reinhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Let's do it! Cmon Larry, write an article!! Make it happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'd much rather they moved Buchnevich, Jones and Blackwell for Reinhart and a pick. Reinhart has a tremendous shot. He doesn't pass up shots. He's a north-south guy. Tough. On a better team he will pump in 35-40 goals every year. He's the guy I would target there. Oh, I like Reinhart! We might even be able to get him for less than that. ;) Reinhart is also a RFA coming off a $5.2 million dollar deal, so he may cost more than what Buffalo is willing to spend right now. It seems pretty likely that Eichel is pretty much outta there, so they may wanna start rebuilding AGAIN! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Reinhart getting talked about a lot ... he just doesnt move the needle for me. I rarely notice him when watching the Sabres. He does shoot, but other than that, he leaves a lot to be desired. He's almost a Mike Hoffman at this point. But Reinhart is a right handed shot. Where is he lining up? He's not getting the shooting spots on any PP in NY. I dont see the toughness or grit in his game everyone loves to bring up, either. It's not the best stat but he had 15 hits in 54 games. Eichel had 20 hits in 21 games. Panarin had 13 hits in 42 games. Again, shooting, skill, talent, offense isn't a team need. Someone that hits someone, as much as its an MSG cliche, is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Reinhart getting talked about a lot ... he just doesnt move the needle for me. I rarely notice him when watching the Sabres. He does shoot, but other than that, he leaves a lot to be desired. He's almost a Mike Hoffman at this point. But Reinhart is a right handed shot. Where is he lining up? He's not getting the shooting spots on any PP in NY. I dont see the toughness or grit in his game everyone loves to bring up, either. It's not the best stat but he had 15 hits in 54 games. Eichel had 20 hits in 21 games. Panarin had 13 hits in 42 games. Again, shooting, skill, talent, offense isn't a team need. Someone that hits someone, as much as its an MSG cliche, is needed. It's a devil you know scenario if I've ever seen one. Nice player, definitely, but I'd probably just as soon keep Buch, who I know (and who is lefty). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Reinhart getting talked about a lot ... he just doesnt move the needle for me. I rarely notice him when watching the Sabres. He does shoot, but other than that, he leaves a lot to be desired. He's almost a Mike Hoffman at this point. But Reinhart is a right handed shot. Where is he lining up? He's not getting the shooting spots on any PP in NY. I dont see the toughness or grit in his game everyone loves to bring up, either. It's not the best stat but he had 15 hits in 54 games. Eichel had 20 hits in 21 games. Panarin had 13 hits in 42 games. Again, shooting, skill, talent, offense isn't a team need. Someone that hits someone, as much as its an MSG cliche, is needed. Agreed. Reinhart feels like change for the sake of change. Not actually fixing anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I'm staunchly against moving Buch. He's the only top 6 guy that doesn't shy away from mixing it up, and he's just hitting his stride as a great all-around winger. Let's not forget he was on our #1 PK and was DAMN good at it, in addition to being one of our most productive players for their price. I'll get lambasted for this, but after the thing with Eichel's neck, and his general "trade me" attitude (including the publicity that comes with it), I wouldn't even do Buch straight up for him. He's a one dimensional guy with too much controversy for someone so young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Im against moving Buch too. He’s one hellava all around player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I'm staunchly against moving Buch. He's the only top 6 guy that doesn't shy away from mixing it up, and he's just hitting his stride as a great all-around winger. Let's not forget he was on our #1 PK and was DAMN good at it, in addition to being one of our most productive players for their price. I'll get lambasted for this, but after the thing with Eichel's neck, and his general "trade me" attitude (including the publicity that comes with it), I wouldn't even do Buch straight up for him. He's a one dimensional guy with too much controversy for someone so young. take away Eichels rookie season and he is over a point per game player in his career on the biggest sh*t show franchise in the NHL, Buch wouldn't even crack .5ppg over there. The Sabres have been weighed down by looney front office moves in the big pay days to Okposo & Skinner, Guy is playing with different players every single year, no stability. With that said im not trading away the future for him but if he can be had at a discount im for it. Not overpaying for him as it makes it hard, near impossible to afford Zibanejad, unless Krieder gets traded or abducted by aliens, which ever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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