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CBrowningPI
07-21-2018, 04:51 PM
These are the foward lines made by the NHL Network. How do you think they did? And what changes should be made. Use the Hartford roster to make any replacement. Or just switch players to different lines.

Krieder - Zibanejad - Zuccarello
Namestnikov - Hayes - Buchnevich
Vesey - Chytil - Fast
Spooner - Anderson - McCleod

rmc51
07-21-2018, 05:00 PM
Switch Chytil and Hayes. The rest is fine, but would probably rather see Spooner get a crack on the 2nd line before Namestnikov. Ideally no Mcleod but whatever. The ship has sailed on that already since they just re-signed him.

Vodka Drunkenski
07-21-2018, 05:02 PM
Please no McLeod with Andersson

Respecttheblue
07-21-2018, 05:16 PM
Switch Chytil and Hayes. The rest is fine, but would probably rather see Spooner get a crack on the 2nd line before Namestnikov. Ideally no Mcleod but whatever. The ship has sailed on that already since they just re-signed him.

We've spent that money for just-in-case (JIC) / "in case of emergency break glass" signings before, and I tend to think it's a JIC signing.
i.e. In case the team gets pushed around, needs a reminder/reason to slap the sideboards with their sticks, and for particularly tough/nasty matchups.
Whether it'll help or be futile is another matter.


Please no McLeod with Andersson

se above.

I certainly don't want to see him on Andersson's wing, either.

Long live the King
07-21-2018, 05:32 PM
Top 9:

Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

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4th Line options:

Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injection

Shane Falco
07-21-2018, 05:45 PM
Please no McLeod with Andersson

How about no McLeod at all? :D

Pete
07-21-2018, 05:47 PM
Top 9:

Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

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4th Line options:

Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injectionI'm not seeing them throw Chytil in a top 6 role as a rookie...maybe but end of year?

3rd line with pp time seems like the sweet spot for him.

Long live the King
07-21-2018, 05:54 PM
I'm not seeing them throw Chytil in a top 6 role as a rookie...maybe but end of year?

3rd line with pp time seems like the sweet spot for him.Those two lines are pretty interchangeable. Chytil's line gets mostly OZ starts, Hayes' line mostly DZ. Plus Hayes' line will be used to shut down the opponent's scoring line.

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Pete
07-21-2018, 06:49 PM
Those two lines are pretty interchangeable. Chytil's line gets mostly OZ starts, Hayes' line mostly DZ. Plus Hayes' line will be used to shut down the opponent's scoring line.

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rmc51
07-21-2018, 07:09 PM
Those two lines are pretty interchangeable. Chytil's line gets mostly OZ starts, Hayes' line mostly DZ. Plus Hayes' line will be used to shut down the opponent's scoring line.

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Bingo.

I don't think I'd want Spooner on a line that is expected to be DZ first though.

CBrowningPI
07-21-2018, 07:29 PM
I'm not seeing them throw Chytil in a top 6 role as a rookie...maybe but end of year?

3rd line with pp time seems like the sweet spot for him.Yep, lovin this with youth injection. I would like to see Zucc playing with Kreider, they have a little chemistry. And Buch might like playing with Names.

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CBrowningPI
07-21-2018, 07:34 PM
I thought I replied to Lltk #5. Woops.

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Long live the King
07-21-2018, 07:52 PM
Bingo.

I don't think I'd want Spooner on a line that is expected to be DZ first though.

Meh, Spooner's a vet he'll be fine. You want a little extra D late in a close game you can bump Quickie up there.

Long live the King
07-21-2018, 07:54 PM
Yep, lovin this with youth injection. I would like to see Zucc playing with Kreider, they have a little chemistry. And Buch might like playing with Names.

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No way, we've seen what the KZB line can do. A new coach that won't shit all over Buch's confidence will make them even better.

josh
07-21-2018, 07:58 PM
Top 9:

Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

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4th Line options:

Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injection

I’m good with this with Youth option for 4th.

CBrowningPI
07-21-2018, 10:40 PM
I'm hoping Ronning has a great showing at camp and we get to see him play at least during pre-season. A sparkle of offense on the 4th is better than McBlob.

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Ranger Lothbrok
07-22-2018, 10:51 AM
You know what's weird? I look at that lineup and think, "is there any combination of those names that doesn't make me want to vomit?" And then I remember that's exactly how I felt about the 05-06 lineup, before they went and broke a 7 year playoff drought. I mean, granted Henrik is much older now and we don't have the best player in the world in Jagr anymore, but I get this weird feeling the team will be surprisingly successful.

Phil in Absentia
07-22-2018, 11:04 AM
The F group is actually not terrible. The D, though. Woof.


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NYR2711
07-22-2018, 11:29 AM
Top 9:

Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

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4th Line options:

Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injection

I like this line-up. Just leave McLeod out all together. I like Fast with Anderson, hopefully that line would get more than 3 minutes a game though as well.

NYR2711
07-22-2018, 11:31 AM
No way, we've seen what the KZB line can do. A new coach that won't shit all over Buch's confidence will make them even better.


Plus, I think Zucc helps Chytil more. He is a vet, and will stick up for Chytil if anyone tries to mess with him. Plus, Zucc likes to pass, so it may help Chytil score more goals.

CBrowningPI
07-22-2018, 01:06 PM
Good point. I like it when Kreider scores and lifts his little viking up to celebrate though. I really hope the lines settle down after some time so the shuffling eases and each line knows what to expect from their linemate.

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Giacomin
07-22-2018, 05:45 PM
I like this line-up. Just leave McLeod out all together. I like Fast with Anderson, hopefully that line would get more than 3 minutes a game though as well.

Yeah! Respectdablue addressed it well. As a just in case enforcer, he may be useful as a 13th F. Don't want kids in the press box. He can be very useful in Hartford. A liability as a regular in NY.

Bet the two Swedes together works. As two-way players it assists a younger scoring LW, which allows that line to get regular shifts down a goal, in the third. Moving Fast up (as King said) to protect a lead is/has been a great option.

I wish Ronning would at least get a couple of months in Hartford. Smaller players (Zuc, St Louis, Marchessault) seem to take longer to develop. Maybe they need to really hone their skills to NHL level, since they never can rely on size or physicality.

Hate to crush/interrupt Ronning's confidence by bringing him up because he flashed in an exhibition game, only to get him exposed a month into the season. He played as an overager in juniors for a reason. Even at the start of 2018, many (scouts and observers) thought he might not make the NHL. Why would he then be "the guy" to skip a level of development?

Howden is a different story. His size and 2 way maturity is excellent. For some time he's been viewed as a likely 2C and getting close to ready. Due to the log jam at C, the team may prefer he gets a short stint in Hartford too. Unless Howden blows up camp, play them together in Hartford and sort things out in NYC till ~ Thanksgiving or injury.

I don't know enough about Meskanen to provide a good opinion. Wouldn't he be more likely to make the team, assuming all 3 show similarly decent enough readiness and promise in camp?

Or if Nieves has a very good camp, Quinn likely gives him another shot to prove himself. If he doesn't step up sometime this year, mgmt may cut bait with him.

Sod16
07-22-2018, 05:49 PM
The first line was really clicking with Fast, so let's break that up.

Mccleod. Please. Enough has been said on this, but with Anderson? Fortunately, my guess is that it won't happen.

Giacomin
07-22-2018, 06:23 PM
The first line was really clicking with Fast, so let's break that up.

Mccleod. Please. Enough has been said on this, but with Anderson? Fortunately, my guess is that it won't happen.

Fast is so damn valuable that he actually clicked best with Zib/Kreid in the 2nd half. He can truly move all the way up or down the lineup. However, Fast should just be a temp on a top-line. As a PKer and D specialist (capable of contributing on O) he is more valuable in the bottom 6, moving up the lineup when needed.

It may be better to give Buch first shot to win the job on RW. Though, I am curious if it'd be better for Buch and Names to pair the Ruskies with a scorer on the 2nd line. Buch would get better matchups and Names is great at exits and entries, a role Buch does not provide.

A RW like Stone would make a big difference throughout the forward lineup. Just like a strong RHD would for the D corp. Since neither is likely, let's see if Buch is ready to step up. Pragmatically, it doesn't matter if he loses some matchups against top players. We are not competing, so why start with Fast on the top line unless Buch disappoints.

rmc51
07-22-2018, 06:48 PM
Has Jesper Fast ever been put in a good position to succeed offensively? It is an intriguing discussion, given how he performed down the stretch last year. We know he's an excellent 3rd line checking forward. I do wonder if he's capable of more.

Long live the King
07-22-2018, 07:04 PM
Fast had a stretch during which he benefited from the dominance of Kreider and Zib. Fast adds nothing to a top 6 line if the other two aren't driving the offense.

Sod16
07-22-2018, 07:31 PM
Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.

CBrowningPI
07-23-2018, 02:11 PM
Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.I agree. JT Miller made a comment about Fast being a better offensive talent than most thought. He can work well on 1-4 but he was constantly asked to be a shutdown foward because there really were few players who could be trusted to handle it. Being the players player for years shows his character, and he was also always in the top 3 for hits per game, every game.

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ThirtyONE
07-23-2018, 02:52 PM
Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.

You see Fast as a "no brainer" first liner? Shocking.

I agree he should get a chance to move up the lineup and prove something -- like almost everyone in camp -- but at 33 points I can think of better options.

AmericanJesus
07-23-2018, 03:59 PM
You see Fast as a "no brainer" first liner? Shocking.

I agree he should get a chance to move up the lineup and prove something -- like almost everyone in camp -- but at 33 points I can think of better options.

I think this is because Fast put up 12 points in the final 12 games of the season. I'd start Fast up top to check that out to start the season, because why the fuck not?

Kreider - Zib - Fast
Andersson - Hayes - Vesey
Buchnevich - Chytil - MZA
Namestnikov - Spooner - Beleskey
McLeod

These lines aren't in order, who ever's going gets the ice time.

Mistercosmic
07-23-2018, 04:20 PM
Kreider - Zib - Buchnevich
Namestnikov - Hayes - Zucc
Chytil - Spooner - Fast
Vesey - Andersson - Lettieri
(Beleskey)

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josh
07-23-2018, 04:35 PM
The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.

CBrowningPI
07-23-2018, 04:43 PM
The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.Doesn't Zucc sqeeze in there before Vesey?

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josh
07-23-2018, 05:02 PM
Yes, but Zucc is probably below average when it comes to NHL forecheckers. They both get a decent number of take-aways, but I dont see either as a guy creating havoc on dmen in the offensive zone.

Sod16
07-23-2018, 05:11 PM
but at 33 points I can think of better options.

Try parsing that to five on five points per minute on the ice and then give it a kicker to compensate who he played with and what his marching orders were for nine-tenths of the season. K and Z's five on five points per minute played were not good at all until Fast came along.

Long live the King
07-23-2018, 05:20 PM
The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.

Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8

CBrowningPI
07-23-2018, 05:36 PM
Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8Fast lead the team in hits w/ 130 in 71 games. Vesey was 7th W/ 83 in 79 games. I'm not making any particular point, just wanted to clarify the 1.1 to 1.8 comparison.

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Puck Head
07-23-2018, 06:01 PM
The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.

This.


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The Dude
07-23-2018, 06:05 PM
Top 9:

Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

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4th Line options:

Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injection

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for if Hayes stays.

josh
07-23-2018, 06:09 PM
Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8

Not necessarily a shot are Vesey, as it is the entire lineup. Grabner, Miller and Nash were our top forecheckera, along with Fast and Kreider. Might not always be hits, but those guys were always the first on the puck, constantly pressuring the defense and not giving them any time. That’s a lot to make up, when your next best option is Jimmy Vesey. And after him, it’s a bigger drop off.

I did have a sentence about the structure and system but took it out.

Pete
07-23-2018, 06:33 PM
2 things.

1. We're gonna suck, so why not Fast on "top" line?
2. We desperately need a right shot forward.

josh
07-23-2018, 06:42 PM
2 things.

1. We're gonna suck, so why not Fast on "top" line?
2. We desperately need a right shot forward.
In a different thread, I mentioned that Fast does the little things that could make life easier for some of the young kids, including forechecking, good defensively, gets open, etc. At the same time, it could give Buchnevich or Chytil some time with a pair like Zibanejad and Kreider and hopefully develop their offensive side of the game

But that’s the play that can help any line, especially when games/goals aren’t make or break.

Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc
07-24-2018, 03:16 AM
I would try Chytil with K and Z at some point of the season, either Zib or Chytil on the wing. That could be deadly line. Problem is it would fuck up the rest of the lines tho. Cant see Buch playing with Hayes going well, where do zuc play?

Maybe:
Kreider - Zib - Chytil
Zuc - Hayes - Buch
Spooner - Lias - Fast
Vesey - Names - (someone not names Mcleod)

Thats a bad lineup, but the top line would be funny to watch.

Gravesy
07-24-2018, 03:28 PM
Buch/Zib/Kreider is the only combination that looks remotely like an actual 1st line
I’d like to see Chytil with Zuc and Names as they’ll put the puck on his stick in decent positions
Hayes and Spooner looked decent together. Hopefully Meskanen puts out in camp and joins that line
Vesey/Lias/Fast as the 4th

Future
07-24-2018, 04:23 PM
Fast had a stretch during which he benefited from the dominance of Kreider and Zib. Fast adds nothing to a top 6 line if the other two aren't driving the offense.
Tend to agree with this...But if playing with Fast makes Zib and Kreider more comfortable being creative and aggressive on the forecheck because they depend on him, then he can be successful there. He doesn't need to carry the puck with those two, and that's his biggest weakness, so it could work long term.

I think Fast's best spot is on a 2b/3rd line with Hayes and another winger who can score, say, Vesey or Spooner. That way he's with enough talent to be on a line with some scoring productivity but being used in a defensive role, which is where he's most effective.

jsrangers
07-24-2018, 05:00 PM
Buch/Zib/Kreider is the only combination that looks remotely like an actual 1st line
I’d like to see Chytil with Zuc and Names as they’ll put the puck on his stick in decent positions
Hayes and Spooner looked decent together. Hopefully Meskanen puts out in camp and joins that line
Vesey/Lias/Fast as the 4th

Names has never been much of an assist guy throughout his career, counting on that changing in this scenario? No doubt tough to build lines with the sizable gaps and unknowns.

Gravesy
07-24-2018, 05:06 PM
Not necessarily, but he’s a good support player and moves the puck well, so I think him and Zuc could be good line mates for Chytil.

jsrangers
07-24-2018, 05:07 PM
Not necessarily, but he’s a good support player and moves the puck well, so I think him and Zuc could be good line mates for Chytil.

Hoping so too.

RJWantsTheCup
08-01-2018, 09:49 AM
Rangers Projected Lineup according to Brett Cyrgalis of The Post (https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/rangers-gm-completes-internal-housecleaning-with-this-signing/)

Forwards

Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad-Pavel Buchnevich

Ryan Spooner-Filip Chytil-Mats Zuccarello

Vladislav Namestnikov-Lias Andersson-Ville Meskanen

Jimmy Vesey-Kevin Hayes-Jesper Fast

Extra: Cody McLeod

Defense

Brady Skjei-Kevin Shattenkirk

Marc Staal-Neal Pionk

Brendan Smith-Tony DeAngelo

Extra: Fredrik Claesson

Goalie

Henrik Lundqvist

Alexandar Georgeiv

paddynyc
08-01-2018, 11:04 AM
Defense
Brady Skjei-Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Staal-Neal Pionk
Brendan Smith-Tony DeAngelo
Extra: Fredrik Claesson

That is out right scary and better hope Hank is on his game.

Vodka Drunkenski
08-01-2018, 11:06 AM
Ok Iíll stir...

5mil for a 4th line center 🤦*♂️

josh
08-01-2018, 11:19 AM
Ok I’ll stir...

5mil for a 4th line center ��*♂️

When you have no first liners, you need depth.

That seems to be the approach, again

Phil in Absentia
08-01-2018, 11:45 AM
Ok Iíll stir...

5mil for a 4th line center 🤦*♂️

In this case, based on time on ice, he's got his third and fourth lines inversed. Maybe even his second and his fourth.

This, to me, was less hierarchy and more about combinations.


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Future
08-01-2018, 11:45 AM
Ok I’ll stir...

5mil for a 4th line center ��*♂️
He has those two lines backwards. The wingers might move around a bit, but it's probably going to be:

1 - KZB
2 O - Spoon - Chytil - Zucc
2 D - Vesey - Hayes - Fast
4 - Namest - Lias - Meskinen

If the Rangers were unwilling to commit to Hayes long-term, it means they don't view him as more than what he was last year. So they'll probably lean on him heavily for DZS this year, especially if he's on a line with Fast. That's not really a top-6 line, but when you've got a 2nd line with Spooner and a 19 yo C, they're going to get heavy OZS. It's not like a Kesler/ROR 2nd line that can handle matchup duties.

So Nashty
08-05-2018, 12:07 PM
Ugh whenís the season startinggggg???!!!!




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Kevin
08-05-2018, 01:05 PM
Ugh when’s the season startinggggg???!!!!




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I'm not ready yet. I just look at the projected lineup and I'm not too excited about the season starting. My normal optimistic outlook has us out of playoff contention by January. Watching a season hoping for growth and development is nice and all but wins is really all that matters in the long run and this season is going to be devoid of a lot of those.

So Nashty
08-05-2018, 02:12 PM
I'm not ready yet. I just look at the projected lineup and I'm not too excited about the season starting. My normal optimistic outlook has us out of playoff contention by January. Watching a season hoping for growth and development is nice and all but wins is really all that matters in the long run and this season is going to be devoid of a lot of those.

Just want hockey back


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Pete
08-05-2018, 04:27 PM
I'm not ready yet. I just look at the projected lineup and I'm not too excited about the season starting. My normal optimistic outlook has us out of playoff contention by January. Watching a season hoping for growth and development is nice and all but wins is really all that matters in the long run and this season is going to be devoid of a lot of those.Development is the win for this team.

The box score and standings matter little.

jsrangers
08-05-2018, 07:06 PM
That is out right scary and better hope Hank is on his game.

Same here the first pair doesn't play much D.

Hoping for players growing throughout the year.

CBrowningPI
08-06-2018, 05:52 PM
Girth

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Vodka Drunkenski
08-06-2018, 07:42 PM
Iíll watch much more compared to last season

josh
08-06-2018, 08:05 PM
I’ll watch much more compared to last season

Yes, because the hockey at the end of the season is so desirable.

Vodka Drunkenski
08-06-2018, 09:07 PM
Yes, because the hockey at the end of the season is so desirable.

Not sure where youíre going with this