RichieNextel305 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) Just 13 years after moving back to Winnipeg, the Jets are again back to having issues. Bettman is going to Winnipeg to visit with corporate sponsors and to talk to the fans. They’ve seen a 30% drop in season tickets. I get this is an issue. I do. But Gary, we also have a team playing inside of a fucking shoebox in Arizona with no concrete plans for a new arena yet in place… Edited February 23 by RichieNextel305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Three points out of first place with four games at hand. What happens to season ticket sales when they have a few losing seasons? I don't get it. When they lost the team in 1996, it was exchange rates; no fan support. When they didn't have a team, they used to have mass bus trips to St. Paul, 420 miles away, to see NHL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Can Bettman visit NYC and see why it costs someone's first born to go see a game at the garden? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 What's the solution?!?! Send them back to Atlanta!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Arizona also being an issue doesn't negate the fact that anyone with a basic understanding in business could see this coming. The move to Winnipeg was a nostalgic one, not one rooted in sound business strategy. At the time it was announced, there were countless articles and talking heads warning about how they have the smallest arena in the NHL (at the time), and how the corporate footprint was incredibly small. That matters. The NHL is a business. This is the same reason Quebec, no matter how loud the lamenting for the Noridques jerseys is, will also never get a team again. Not when there are significantly more viable markets in America with massive corporate dollars available. Houston and, yes, even Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I'll say it...The Houston Jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Phil said: Arizona also being an issue doesn't negate the fact that anyone with a basic understanding in business could see this coming. The move to Winnipeg was a nostalgic one, not one rooted in sound business strategy. At the time it was announced, there were countless articles and talking heads warning about how they have the smallest arena in the NHL (at the time), and how the corporate footprint was incredibly small. That matters. The NHL is a business. This is the same reason Quebec, no matter how loud the lamenting for the Noridques jerseys is, will also never get a team again. Not when there are significantly more viable markets in America with massive corporate dollars available. Houston and, yes, even Atlanta. Tried to beat you to it, boss! Failed! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Ozzy said: I'll say it...The Houston Salt Lake City Jets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I will only support staying in Winnipeg if they bring back the portrait of the Queen, and it's got to be her, no King Charlie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I'm surprised Wisconsin can't support a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: I'm surprised Wisconsin can't support a team. Who said they can't? If the corp footprint/dollars are there + stable ownership, there's no reason almost any market can't work. That doesn't mean endless expansion is something the league should look to (they shouldn't), but the problem markets are the ones that fail in one or both of these fields. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 You really can't underestimate how gross, and poor Manitoba is. Imagine Alberta and Sask had no natural resources, and that's what Manitoba is. I really have no idea what they were thinking bringing a team back to Winnipeg, other than thinking the Thompsons would just float it indefinitely. Canada is full of dirty, poor, depressing, brutalist soviet style locales, it's actually mostly this, but Manitoba is the undisputed king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 They don't even have parks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Blake Wheeler leaves and this is what happens. Canadians can only yell "This is our game" at the Olympics. I guess when it comes to coming to NHL games, they're too cheap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 We're poor, man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Dunny said: Canada is full of dirty, poor, depressing, brutalist soviet style locales, it's actually mostly this, but Manitoba is the undisputed king. True patriot love in all of us command 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Dunny said: We're poor, man. I was in Canada last weekend, i've seen a Mercedes there and a Porsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The NHL probably has 24 teams that are on sound footing and making decent money. That's already 8 franchises out there that can't hold their own. Arizona, Ottawa, Columbus, San Jose, Buffalo, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Florida, maybe Nashville, maybe Carolina. The first two teams operate on about 60% of the revenue of the average team in the league. The NHL is in need of contraction at this point not expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 My top candidates to be contracted would be Ottawa, Winnipeg, FLA, Columbus, Carolina, and, if they don't have an arena deal by the end of next week, Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Br4d said: The NHL probably has 24 teams that are on sound footing and making decent money. That's already 8 franchises out there that can't hold their own. Arizona, Ottawa, Columbus, San Jose, Buffalo, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Florida, maybe Nashville, maybe Carolina. The first two teams operate on about 60% of the revenue of the average team in the league. The NHL is in need of contraction at this point not expansion. What does contraction mean? A team of 48 players? I don't think this exists. Dissolution is more likely for those struggling mightily: Arizona, Winnipeg then relocate the two next candidates. 30 teams should be the max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 hours ago, jsm7302 said: What does contraction mean? A team of 48 players? I don't think this exists. Dissolution is more likely for those struggling mightily: Arizona, Winnipeg then relocate the two next candidates. 30 teams should be the max. Contraction means dissolving teams and a dispersal draft. Some players will be without jobs. That's why it won't happen. PA will never agree to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The next best option is regional teams that play in a wider area with two or more metros sharing the team. Build smaller less expensive facilities in each of the host cities, providing venues for other attractions in those cities and split much of the infrastructure cost in the process. The only thing not easily shareable is the cost of the personnel to man those facilities and 95% of those jobs are cheap labor jobs of the type that is in short supply at the moment. Win-win. Several small cities get relatively inexpensive facilities and jobs of the type they desperately need to support the people in the bottom 20%. The NHL gets games that are more in demand because the number of seats is lower and the availability of games is lesser making each ticket more of a premium sale. Taylor Swift (more likely Britney Spears and other B-list attractions) gets more venues to play in and the local economy perks up a bit as people travel in regionally for those performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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