Sod16 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Frankly, running on fumes from previous achievements. Karlson will get it. Fox will be no worse than a second team all star, which is also questionable. https://www.nhl.com/news/adam-fox-erik-karlsson-cale-makar-named-norris-trophy-finalists/c-344153866?tid=280503612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I think the playoffs have blinded a few people. Fox actually had a really good season (again). Not sure if he had a top 3 Norris season, but he was probably our best player over the 82-games. Makar being there is just weird tho. So many D's had great seasons and they include Makar who only played 60 games. He wasn't as good as he's been previously either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I think the playoffs have blinded a few people. Fox actually had a really good season (again). Not sure if he had a top 3 Norris season, but he was probably our best player over the 82-games. Makar being there is just weird tho. So many D's had great seasons and they include Makar who only played 60 games. He wasn't as good as he's been previously either. They are going to get people to dislike Makar if they keep going this route, handing out votes he doesn’t deserve just because “he’s Makar”. It makes me dislike him more (a little) than I did yesterday (none). It’s undeserving and it’s annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 For some reason I couldn’t care less 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Ullmark had an awful playoffs but is still the shoe-in for the Vezina. Fox had a great regular season. Karlsson put up a lot of points but is he really “the best defenseman”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 They almost always give this away based on points though, no? In that case, yes. i don’t like it but yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: They are going to get people to dislike Makar if they keep going this route, handing out votes he doesn’t deserve just because “he’s Makar”. It makes me dislike him more (a little) than I did yesterday (none). It’s undeserving and it’s annoying. Yup, I hate it. If you're missing 1/4 of the games you have to be extraordinary to get nominated for an award. He wasn't that this year. 4 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: Fox had a great regular season. Karlsson put up a lot of points but is he really “the best defenseman”? He's obviously not the best, but he had a historical season putting up 100+ points as a defenseman on a bad team, so he'll definitely win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 38 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: They are going to get people to dislike Makar if they keep going this route, handing out votes he doesn’t deserve just because “he’s Makar”. It makes me dislike him more (a little) than I did yesterday (none). It’s undeserving and it’s annoying. That's kind of silly, considering he doesn't nominate himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I think the playoffs have blinded a few people. Fox actually had a really good season (again). Not sure if he had a top 3 Norris season, but he was probably our best player over the 82-games. Makar being there is just weird tho. So many D's had great seasons and they include Makar who only played 60 games. He wasn't as good as he's been previously either. Not only have the playoffs blinded a few people, but the people who vote on these awards watch a ton of hockey, not just Rangers hockey. It's what I was saying in the other thread, you watch a player every single night and every single replay and dissect every single move, of course you're going to pick up every single mistake and magnify it. People who watch a ton of hockey appreciate Fox, and frankly I think anybody who's hating on Fox at this point needs to go and watch other teams who don't have a Fox-like-object. That'll make you appreciate having a perennial Norris candidate in the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I think the playoffs have blinded a few people. Fox actually had a really good season (again). Not sure if he had a top 3 Norris season, but he was probably our best player over the 82-games. Makar being there is just weird tho. So many D's had great seasons and they include Makar who only played 60 games. He wasn't as good as he's been previously either. Makar is a great player. That type of player is always going to get a call when they have anything resembling one of their top seasons and he did that this year over 60 games. Fox is there for the same reason. Really did not have a great season by his standards but it was close enough that he gets the checkmark. The numbers looked ok but he was very sloppy at times this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Fox had an amazing season. Deserving candidate for sure. The guy is an unbelievable hockey player who had a bad couple games. This is Karlsson's though for about a million reasons so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 There really should be an award for defensive defenseman. I dunno how you quantify that other than the eye test though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 He's deserving of being a finalist for sure. Its a foregone conclusion that EK wins it, but Fox did have a great season. As Pete said, the local fanbase microscope is a surefire way to point out any flaw. Fans: "Margot Robbie is stunningly gorgeous. She may be the hottest woman in the world!" Local Fanbase: "Yeah, she's good... But have you seen her pinky toe? It's all jacked up.. And have you ever gotten a look at her after she runs a marathon? Jesus man, its rough.. And lets be honest, she ain't getting any younger!" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, siddious said: There really should be an award for defensive defenseman. I dunno how you quantify that other than the eye test though You could quantify that with an Expected Goals Allowed stat that took all the context into account and then gave the award to one of the top producers in the category among defensemen each year. The eye test could be a small part of that. The major factors would probably be goalie quality and how the player's production compared to his peers both on the team and in the league. The algorithm would undoubtedly be very complex because you'd have to factor out all the stats that were saying the same thing for the same reason so they didn't double-weight a single contribution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Ah yes advanced stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Is this guy Fox any good? I actually think Fox is the most deserving of the award out of the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Good for him. I’d just like to see him play with more urgency when the time calls for it. And please, for the love of all that is good and holy, please shoot the puck more next season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Good for Foxy!! He's still the man! I love the Fox, but I just keep wondering how good he would be with a little more organization back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: Good for him. I’d just like to see him play with more urgency when the time calls for it. And please, for the love of all that is good and holy, please shoot the puck more next season. The way he plays is fine as long as his passes don't turn into cycling because other key players want to pass first also. The whole team minus Kreider, Chytil, Trocheck and Lafreniere are too deferential to the "open guy". Edited May 5, 2023 by Br4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 he needs to hit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, CCCP said: he needs to hit more You spelled "SHOOT" incorrectly! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 i'd like to see him take someone out ala Trouba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, CCCP said: i'd like to see him take someone out ala Trouba ...you mean "out to dinner"? ...because the only way I'd wanna see Fox throwing hits like that is with his purse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, siddious said: There really should be an award for defensive defenseman. I dunno how you quantify that other than the eye test though There should be an offensive defenseman award since the Norris is supposed to be the best defenseman award. Give the D their own opposite version of the Selke type of trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ozzy said: ...you mean "out to dinner"? ...because the only way I'd wanna see Fox throwing hits like that is with his purse! i'd order in 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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