Phil Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Unfortunately I don't think there's a fix for too soft. Wish we would've got rid of him sooner when his value was slightly higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 This is now Krav's 3rd "big summer" in a row! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 ...kid's leaning more and more towards "bust". He really was light on the puck with us, but he does know how to find open ice to shoot. It's going to be interesting to see how he pans out. To think he tried to dictate to our front office where he belongs, and now to see what even a coach like Tocchet evaluates him as....yeah....I'm not too sure about where he's going in the NHL at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 Leaning!? He's five years removed from his draft. How much more rope is left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phil said: Leaning!? He's five years removed from his draft. How much more rope is left? Ok, Ok!!! LOL I was just trying not to shit on his grave! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Anyone who watched Krav play knew he needed to get stronger and quicker. The talent is 100% there though and it will come down to his personal drive and committment to train…and his maturity. Flight risk and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Anyone who watched Krav play knew he needed to get stronger and quicker. The talent is 100% there though and it will come down to his personal drive and committment to train…and his maturity. Flight risk and all that. If the talent were there 100%, he'd score in spite of these issues. Like Kessel, Kuznetsov, or guys like Kyle Wellwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Talent is there to play in a non contact league. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 hours ago, RJWantsTheCup said: Talent is there to play in a non contact league. Dude just bought some roller blades and is going to give it a go playing inline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Krav may spend the summer listening to the Ramones album "Rocket to Russia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 21 hours ago, Phil said: Leaning!? He's five years removed from his draft. How much more rope is left? In this league, it's clear the higher you are picked the longer leash you'll get. I had such high hopes that he'd come out of nowhere this year and be a revelation for us. I don't blame him for his pat actions of wanting to go back to the KHL/trying to protect his own value but next season, if he remains in vancouver will for sure be his last chance. He's no longer with the organization that invested a top 10 pick on him. He's with a team that paid a 7th rounder in 3 years for him. they don't give a shit about him and will move on the moment he doesn't look up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: In this league, it's clear the higher you are picked the longer leash you'll get. I had such high hopes that he'd come out of nowhere this year and be a revelation for us. I don't blame him for his pat actions of wanting to go back to the KHL/trying to protect his own value but next season, if he remains in vancouver will for sure be his last chance. He's no longer with the organization that invested a top 10 pick on him. He's with a team that paid a 7th rounder in 3 years for him. they don't give a shit about him and will move on the moment he doesn't look up to it Sure, that's been the case forever. Vally had some quote about it a year or two ago talking about Kakko, specifically, when he said something like "in this league, if you're a third-round pick, you have to prove you can play in this league. If you're a top pick, you have to prove you can't." I think he's absolutely right, and Kravtsov, to me, is dangerously close to proving he can't. The fact a ninth overall pick was dumped for a seventh round pick is in and of itself evidence that he's on the edge of an NHL career cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 22 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Anyone who watched Krav play knew he needed to get stronger and quicker. The talent is 100% there though and it will come down to his personal drive and committment to train…and his maturity. Flight risk and all that. I don’t know. I’m not trying to say there is no talent, but I’m not seeing anything unique from any other major / minor pro. There is some talent but I don’t see any talent that separates him from any other player. The fact that he doesn’t take his craft seriously just adds a whole other roadblock to him being successful. It’s not good. It’s not good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, Keirik said: I don’t know. I’m not trying to say there is no talent, but I’m not seeing anything unique from any other major / minor pro. There is some talent but I don’t see any talent that separates him from any other player. The fact that he doesn’t take his craft seriously just adds a whole other roadblock to him being successful. It’s not good. It’s not good at all. I'll do you one further: I don't see the talent, period. There's nothing about his game at all that we've seen that suggests there's some untapped thing that a team can unlock. There isn't even one avenue to look at like speed, size, elite passing skill, whatever. He just exists. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Andersson and Krav were both surprise picks who were projected to go lower. Perhaps they should be treated where they were projected to go, not where they Rangers foolishly picked them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 I mean, I guess. Central Scouting had Andersson as the third-highest European skater going into 2017. Bob McKenzie, who was arguably the industry standard for prospects at the time, had him ranked 13th. He went 7th, which is basically the middle ground between the two. I'm not sure he was a "reach" as much as he was the "safe" pick after they failed to move up to take Pettersson (they tried) or Heiskanen (also tried). Kravtsov was also ranked as the third-best Euro skater in 2019. McKenzie had him going 12th. He went 9th. Again, not really a "reach," but I think it was probably a mistake given the makeup of the team at the time to not just take Wahlstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Phil said: I mean, I guess. Central Scouting had Andersson as the third-highest European skater going into 2017. Bob McKenzie, who was arguably the industry standard for prospects at the time, had him ranked 13th. He went 7th, which is basically the middle ground between the two. I'm not sure he was a "reach" as much as he was the "safe" pick after they failed to move up to take Pettersson (they tried) or Heiskanen (also tried). Kravtsov was also ranked as the third-best Euro skater in 2019. McKenzie had him going 12th. He went 9th. Again, not really a "reach," but I think it was probably a mistake given the makeup of the team at the time to not just take Wahlstrom. Probably didnt due their due dilligence to see what was between the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, Phil said: I mean, I guess. Central Scouting had Andersson as the third-highest European skater going into 2017. Bob McKenzie, who was arguably the industry standard for prospects at the time, had him ranked 13th. He went 7th, which is basically the middle ground between the two. I'm not sure he was a "reach" as much as he was the "safe" pick after they failed to move up to take Pettersson (they tried) or Heiskanen (also tried). Kravtsov was also ranked as the third-best Euro skater in 2019. McKenzie had him going 12th. He went 9th. Again, not really a "reach," but I think it was probably a mistake given the makeup of the team at the time to not just take Wahlstrom. I was sure they were taking Wahlstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: Probably didnt due their due dilligence to see what was between the ears. Maybe. Simplest solution, though, is it was just bad luck. Top-10 picks go bust all the time. It's just rare that it happens to the same team back-to-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Maybe. Simplest solution, though, is it was just bad luck. Top-10 picks go bust all the time. It's just rare that it happens to the same team back-to-back. I agree but how many prospects had the issues that Kravtsov had? thinking he was entitled? whine his way back home? still didn't do the required work to make it to the big club as a regular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: I agree but how many prospects had the issues that Kravtsov had? thinking he was entitled? whine his way back home? still didn't do the required work to make it to the big club as a regular. Oh, that's different. My theory there is that the reason Drury sacked the entire European scouting department was because they were making promises to players like Andersson and Kravtsov that the team couldn't actually keep. I don't know how you can know that about a player from interviews. I mean, think of a regular job interview. If you asked a candidate "how likely are you to be seflish and entitled?" who on earth is answering that honestly? Even the actually selfish and entitled will say what you want to hear so they get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Has such a scrub ever warranted so much conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 If you look at the five guys drafted immediately after Lias and Krav, Dobson is the only one I'd really like to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Sod16 said: If you look at the five guys drafted immediately after Lias and Krav, Dobson is the only one I'd really like to have. Martin Necas?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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