LindG1000 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Great deal. He and Robertson are their future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Robertson is so nasty. good deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 these two guys are animals the way they play the game. nothing flashy just unstoppable power forwards with ridiculous hands. That's not going to be a fun team to play against for a long while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Amazing. Seguin/Benn = Robertson/Hintz Good for them for replacing the aging stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 hours ago, jsm7302 said: Amazing. Seguin/Benn = Robertson/Hintz Good for them for replacing the aging stars. While the aging stars remain serviceable and on deals that aren't actually hurting them. It's masterful cap work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 It’s really annoying seeing teams land studs on 2nd round picks and we got next to shit with top of the draft 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, rmc51 said: It’s really annoying seeing teams land studs on 2nd round picks and we got next to shit with top of the draft It helps to develop guys correctly 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Is it developing guys incorrectly, or maybe ours just aren't that good. You go back and read their scouting reports and watch them play (especially Lafreniere), and you're like, "Oh, really now?". Edited November 30, 2022 by Sharpshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 There's no "developing properly" when you select players who just aren't very good. No amount of AHL time was likely to turn LiASS Andersson into a better NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 It’s probably both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Just now, Phil said: There's no "developing properly" when you select players who just aren't very good. No amount of AHL time was likely to turn LiASS Andersson into a better NHL player. We’ll yea that was just a terrible pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Lias was just an awful pick from the start. I don't think an AHL assignment would have helped Lafreniere or Kakko, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: Lias was just an awful pick from the start. I don't think an AHL assignment would have helped Lafreniere or Kakko, though. I don't agree at all, but we do know that keeping them in the NHL didn't work. It just wrecked their confidence (especially Kakko). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pete said: I don't agree at all, but we do know that keeping them in the NHL didn't work. It just wrecked their confidence (especially Kakko). Well, I think a big drawback for the both of them is their skating. Do you think that could have improved with a stint down there? With Laf, there also seems to be conditioning problems, so going down might have helped there? I don't know if it would have improved their skating work. Both of them made great strides in the second half of last season and into the playoffs and it seems to have evaporated, although Kakko still looks alright, but just not getting rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 I think out of the two players, Kakko may have benefited from an AHL assignment more because I think he's his own worst enemy at times and is not totally confident in himself or his shot. We've seen so many times where he'll create a good shooting opportunity for himself and just doesn't pull the trigger, looks to dish it off or it just fizzles out entirely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 The AHL isn't helping make Lindbom a better pick. The Rangers' misses are mostly misses, not derailed development issues. It's why they overhauled their entire scouting department. And it's already paying dividends. Othmann and Cuylle are actually progressing/developing. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: I don't agree at all, but we do know that keeping them in the NHL didn't work. It just wrecked their confidence (especially Kakko). Yea both kakko and Laf should have spent some time at lower levels whether it’s ahl or juniors or whatever. They weren’t ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Hintz was in the AHL when he was Chytils age, and went several more seasons before breaking out. Robertson's early NHL success is more of an anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Development schmavelopment. Maybe Robertson and Hintz just have "it". Dallas is great at developing players. Nichushkin went back to Russia. Honka went back to Sweden. They developed 1st round pick Riley Tufte into Tim Gettinger. There's so far 20 players picked after 12OA Garianov that have out scored him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Long live the King said: Development schmavelopment. Maybe Robertson and Hintz just have "it". Dallas is great at developing players. Nichushkin went back to Russia. Honka went back to Sweden. They developed 1st round pick Riley Tufte into Tim Gettinger. There's so far 20 players picked after 12OA Garianov that have out scored him. This is still a better resume than the Rangers. You're too smart to be a homer. Have "it"? It's more than luck to get 2 players with "it" in the 2nd round and we can't draft players with "it" at #1 and #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 18 hours ago, Long live the King said: Development schmavelopment. Maybe Robertson and Hintz just have "it". Dallas is great at developing players. Nichushkin went back to Russia. Honka went back to Sweden. They developed 1st round pick Riley Tufte into Tim Gettinger. There's so far 20 players picked after 12OA Garianov that have out scored him. I mean, maybe, but the odds were against them. As @Pete said, they've gotten more out of second-round picks than the Rangers have gotten out of #1 and #2 overall picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Phil said: I mean, maybe, but the odds were against them. As @Pete said, they've gotten more out of second-round picks than the Rangers have gotten out of #1 and #2 overall picks. All i'm saying is. Speed kills. Laf and Kakko don't have it. Keeping them out of the NHL as teenagers wouldn't have made them faster. So the Rangers didn't ruin their development. They dominated juniors because they could out muscle their peers. That just takes longer to have an NHL impact than speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, Long live the King said: All i'm saying is. Speed kills. Laf and Kakko don't have it. Keeping them out of the NHL as teenagers wouldn't have made them faster. So the Rangers didn't ruin their development. They dominated juniors because they could out muscle their peers. That just takes longer to have an NHL impact than speed. That's still only looking at one facet, the physical one. Both these kids at times I'm sure have had their confidence completely shattered instead of being able to work out their issues in relative anonymity in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, Long live the King said: All i'm saying is. Speed kills. Laf and Kakko don't have it. Keeping them out of the NHL as teenagers wouldn't have made them faster. So the Rangers didn't ruin their development. They dominated juniors because they could out muscle their peers. That just takes longer to have an NHL impact than speed. That's still only looking at one facet, the physical one. Both these kids at times I'm sure have had their confidence completely shattered instead of being able to work out their issues in relative anonymity in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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