BrooksBurner Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: Not so sure the Rangers appointed Trouba captain to just trade him when his modified NMC starts. They didn’t, but they also didn’t appoint him captain to play like a $3-4M player either. Things change Edited January 24, 2023 by rmc51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: Not so sure the Rangers appointed Trouba captain to just trade him when his modified NMC starts. Why not? Callahan, McDonagh...we have a good track record here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 If we're going to keep this "Core" together. He's gotta go. I'd much rather have as our foundation: Fox/Lindy K'Andre/Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I'm still a member of the Trouba fan club, looks like the Trouba fan club has diminishing membership. I get that his play has been uneven or sometimes uninspired at times. However, he's still one of the few Rangers that will knock an opponent on his ass during a rush. Physical play to just end a play. This is critical, especially during the playoffs. Let's see his play in the last 10 games of the regular season, and the opening round of the playoffs, before we kick him to the curb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, fletch said: I'm still a member of the Trouba fan club, looks like the Trouba fan club has diminishing membership. I get that his play has been uneven or sometimes uninspired at times. However, he's still one of the few Rangers that will knock an opponent on his ass during a rush. Physical play to just end a play. This is critical, especially during the playoffs. Let's see his play in the last 10 games of the regular season, and the opening round of the playoffs, before we kick him to the curb. We'll need him this year, Fletch, and next....no argument there. It's just after next season, how much does he have in the tank? That, and the theory of keeping the Core 4 intact for the long haul. I see Trouba's $8 balloons going the way of Miller in years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 47 minutes ago, Ozzy said: We'll need him this year, Fletch, and next....no argument there. It's just after next season, how much does he have in the tank? That, and the theory of keeping the Core 4 intact for the long haul. I see Trouba's $8 balloons going the way of Miller in years to come. 2 hours ago, Ozzy said: If we're going to keep this "Core" together. He's gotta go. I'd much rather have as our foundation: Fox/Lindy K'Andre/Schneider 48 minutes ago, Ozzy said: We'll need him this year, Fletch, and next....no argument there. It's just after next season, how much does he have in the tank? That, and the theory of keeping the Core 4 intact for the long haul. I see Trouba's $8 balloons going the way of Miller in years to come. Ozzy, respect to your perspective. But I'd rather have Trouba, Fox, Lindy, K'Andre, Schneider, and some AHL level dude then lose Trouba. There's no one on our roster that has his skill-set. K'Andre could turn into a punisher, but he's not there. Trouba will lay someone the eff out. And there are a dwindling number of player in the NHL that are willing to do the Chris Chelios-Scott Stevens hits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, fletch said: Ozzy, respect to your perspective. But I'd rather have Trouba, Fox, Lindy, K'Andre, Schneider, and some AHL level dude then lose Trouba. There's no one on our roster that has his skill-set. K'Andre could turn into a punisher, but he's not there. Trouba will lay someone the eff out. And there are a dwindling number of player in the NHL that are willing to do the Chris Chelios-Scott Stevens hits. I can dig that, Fletch. I hear where you're coming from. I just don't know how to squeeze 'em all under the cap. Trouba, I'm thinking would become the guy who's priced out at that point. He'd be 30 years old, and still have value enough to fetch us maybe something that fits a need. I'm thinking the young guns would be set to carry the ball from that point forward. True, we won't have a bone rattler on defense, and Miller, I don't believe will be that guy either. Although I see some pop in Schneider. We have some time to see Schneider evolve, and maybe some cap relief helps in years to come. Gonna be tough to fit 'em all in there, and I would hate to lose Lindy. I love that dude!!! LOL We shall see, man. But I respect that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 hours ago, rmc51 said: They didn’t, but they also didn’t appoint him captain to play like a $3-4M player either. Things change Even less, depending on who you ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Phil said: Even less, depending on who you ask. Miller at a 1.3M market value makes me seriously question whatever rating mechanism this is. Even so, yikes at the Trouba one. Edited January 24, 2023 by rmc51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 15 hours ago, rmc51 said: They didn’t, but they also didn’t appoint him captain to play like a $3-4M player either. Things change He has never played like more than a 4-5 million player. We've proves this out. He was playing Brady Skjei level of hockey while he was here, and everyone hated Skjei ... Who was giving you same output for a little less than half the cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: Why not? Callahan, McDonagh...we have a good track record here. Those were players who were ending their contracts and we weren't resigning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 12 hours ago, fletch said: And there are a dwindling number of player in the NHL that are willing to do the Chris Chelios-Scott Stevens hits. And yet somehow teams are winning cups without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 14 hours ago, fletch said: Ozzy, respect to your perspective. But I'd rather have Trouba, Fox, Lindy, K'Andre, Schneider, and some AHL level dude then lose Trouba. There's no one on our roster that has his skill-set. K'Andre could turn into a punisher, but he's not there. Trouba will lay someone the eff out. And there are a dwindling number of player in the NHL that are willing to do the Chris Chelios-Scott Stevens hits. 2 hours ago, Pete said: And yet somehow teams are winning cups without them. Please elaborate. Are you suggesting the game has changed and you no longer need someone like Chelios or Stevens on the roster to win a Cup? Or are you looking at the Avalanche and the Lightning roster and saying the Rangers should be looking at these franchises as models of roster construction, and they don't have someone like Chelios or Stevens on their roster? Or are you saying something altogether different? My response depends on your point of view, which is not clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pete said: He has never played like more than a 4-5 million player. We've proves this out. He was playing Brady Skjei level of hockey while he was here, and everyone hated Skjei ... Who was giving you same output for a little less than half the cap hit. Correct. They expected him to follow an upwards trajectory to be worth it. They were wrong. Instead, he’s gotten worse. Edited January 25, 2023 by rmc51 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, fletch said: Please elaborate. Are you suggesting the game has changed and you no longer need someone like Chelios or Stevens on the roster to win a Cup? Or are you looking at the Avalanche and the Lightning roster and saying the Rangers should be looking at these franchises as models of roster construction, and they don't have someone like Chelios or Stevens on their roster? Or are you saying something altogether different? My response depends on your point of view, which is not clear. I'm saying you don't need them, and no one should be paying $8M for one. I think of you took a poll players would fear Radko Gudas more than Trouba ... He's got 3 less points and is a net +11 over Trouba for $2.5M a year. I'm not comparing those guys as actual players, as obviously Trouba is having one of the worst years of his career, but the point stands you can sign a guy making double what Gudas makes, half of what Trouba makes, and probably net you the same results on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Pete said: Those were players who were ending their contracts and we weren't resigning. McDonagh had two years left. Callahan yes, he was an expiring UFA. But the main point is we wish Trouba's contract was expiring, so potato potahto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1. Adam Fox 2. Mika Zibanejad 3. Igor Shesterkin 4. Filip Chytil +1 5. Artemi Panarin -1 6. K'Andre Miller 7. Chris Kreider 8. Vincent Trocheck 9. Ryan Lindgren 10. Kappo Kakko 11. Jimmy Vesey 12. Braden Schneider 13. Vitali Kravtsov 14. Alexis Lafrenière 15. Barclay Goodrow 16. Ben Harpur 17. Jacob Trouba 18. Jaroslav Halak 19. Julien Gauthier 20. Sammy Blais 21. Jake Leschyshyn 22. Libor Hajek I did what I did and that's just how it be for now. Plus @josh is MIA so...I can do what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 1. Adam Fox 2. Mika Zibanejad 3. Igor Shesterkin 4. Filip Chytil 5. Artemi Panarin 6. K'Andre Miller 7. Vincent Trocheck 8. Ryan Lindgren 9. Chris Kreider -2 10. Kappo Kakko 11. Jimmy Vesey 12. Braden Schneider 13. Vitali Kravtsov 14. Alexis Lafrenière 15. Barclay Goodrow 16. Ben Harpur 17. Jacob Trouba 18. Jaroslav Halak 19. Julien Gauthier 20. Sammy Blais 21. Jake Leschyshyn 22. Libor Hajek edit - adjusted to account for @rmc51's list Edited January 26, 2023 by SaveByRichter35 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Uh oh. We posted at same time @rmc51. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 13 hours ago, Pete said: I'm saying you don't need them, and no one should be paying $8M for one. I think of you took a poll players would fear Radko Gudas more than Trouba ... He's got 3 less points and is a net +11 over Trouba for $2.5M a year. I'm not comparing those guys as actual players, as obviously Trouba is having one of the worst years of his career, but the point stands you can sign a guy making double what Gudas makes, half of what Trouba makes, and probably net you the same results on the ice. Thank you for clarification, I see your point. It relies on the assumption that a cheaper option is available to play for the Rangers, with Trouba's skillset. Color me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 6 hours ago, fletch said: Thank you for clarification, I see your point. It relies on the assumption that a cheaper option is available to play for the Rangers, with Trouba's skillset. Color me skeptical. Well, not only is Braden Schneider a cheaper option, I'm telling you the one thing you're looking for out of Trouba just isn't required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Pete said: Well, not only is Braden Schneider a cheaper option, I'm telling you the one thing you're looking for out of Trouba just isn't required. Right, and this point is where we continue to disagree. Circle complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, fletch said: Right, and this point is where we continue to disagree. Circle complete. Right. But I've shown evidence that you don't need this type of player to win. Where's the evidence that you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1. Adam Fox 2. Mika Zibanejad 3. Igor Shesterkin 4. Filip Chytil 5. Artemi Panarin 6. K'Andre Miller 7. Vincent Trocheck 8. Ryan Lindgren 9. Chris Kreider 10. Kappo Kakko 11. Jimmy Vesey 12. Braden Schneider 13. Alexis Lafrenière +1 14. Vitali Kravtsov 15. Barclay Goodrow 16. Ben Harpur 17. Jacob Trouba 18. Jaroslav Halak 19. Julien Gauthier 20. Sammy Blais 21. Jake Leschyshyn 22. Libor Hajek Kid's heating up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: 1. Adam Fox 2. Mika Zibanejad 3. Igor Shesterkin 4. Filip Chytil 5. Artemi Panarin 6. K'Andre Miller 7. Vincent Trocheck 8. Ryan Lindgren 9. Chris Kreider 10. Kappo Kakko 11. Jimmy Vesey 12. Braden Schneider 13. Alexis Lafrenière +1 14. Vitali Kravtsov 15. Barclay Goodrow 16. Ben Harpur 17. Jacob Trouba 18. Jaroslav Halak 19. Julien Gauthier 20. Sammy Blais 21. Jake Leschyshyn 22. Libor Hajek Kid's heating up Well earned the last 2 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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