CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Wasn't that exactly your argument for hiring a younger coach? Sick self burn. And Quinn and his posse are young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 And Quinn and his posse are young? Is learning a skill attributable to only young people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 This is just a moronic debate, I'm sorry. You're stumbling around in the dark, looking for a point of view. Your premise that Quinn has never won a cup (in two years as an NHL head coach) so that means he doesn't know how to win a cup, and therefore should be replaced. That is just about the most baseless comment that can be made, not to mention a logical nightmare. How many coaches in the league have won a cup, you ask? 6. One of which is Tortorella in 2004 (a completely different era). So by your logic, that means more than 81% of the teams in the league are coached by an inexperienced guy that needs to be replaced. Hmmmm. You do realize it's not the same 6 guys who win every year, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Bottom like is we have a better chance to win a Cup with Laviolette and his crew than with Quinn and his crew. You can argue and debate it all you want, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 So no actual proof to back that statement up? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I mean, I fully expect Laviolette to moonwalk into MSG, flick his wand and turn Greg McKegg into 1991 Craig McTavish. In all seriousness, Laviolette is a very good coach. It just seems like a strange take because the last evidence we have is that he couldn't win with a stacked Predators team. So what makes us so sure he's capable of doing it with a massively inferior roster that is still very much under construction? Time will tell if they got it right with Quinn. One of things I really like about this current iteration of the Rangers front office is that they have a long term plan and they're sticking to it. And that being the case, you simply don't go out and get a young coach from the NCAA only to turn around and can him the moment an experienced coach becomes available. That would be a colossal waste of everyones time. They clearly saw something in him to make them believe he'll be an excellent coach at the NHL level. So far, there are positives and there are things he needs to do better. That's not surprising with a hire like that. I think it's a bit of a no brainer to stay the course for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Maybe I'm a couple sandwiches short of a picnic, but I like Quinn! I think he's going to be a very good coach for us moving forward. Like pete said, He did get an awful lot out of that roster last year before this virus bullshit hit. Kakko was probably the only player that didn't reach his expectation, and he's what? 11 years old too? I say fuck it, I'm rolling with the Mighty Quinn, and I think he's got the balls to take us to the promised land! As long as Ruff is out, now I'm feeling pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 Bottom like is we have a better chance to win a Cup with Laviolette and his crew than with Quinn and his crew. You can argue and debate it all you want, I don't care. Translation: I don't care about facts or data. I want to believe what I want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I mean, I fully expect Laviolette to moonwalk into MSG, flick his wand and turn Greg McKegg into 1991 Craig McTavish. In all seriousness, Laviolette is a very good coach. It just seems like a strange take because the last evidence we have is that he couldn't win with a stacked Predators team. So what makes us so sure he's capable of doing it with a massively inferior roster that is still very much under construction? Time will tell if they got it right with Quinn. One of things I really like about this current iteration of the Rangers front office is that they have a long term plan and they're sticking to it. And that being the case, you simply don't go out and get a young coach from the NCAA only to turn around and can him the moment an experienced coach becomes available. That would be a colossal waste of everyones time. They clearly saw something in him to make them believe he'll be an excellent coach at the NHL level. So far, there are positives and there are things he needs to do better. That's not surprising with a hire like that. I think it's a bit of a no brainer to stay the course for now. stacked Predators team? they finished with only 94 points that season that tied them for 15th best in NHL. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2016/league in 2010 he took 18th best team into the finals. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2009/league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Translation: I don't care about facts or data. I want to believe what I want to believe. you talking about yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 you talking about yourself. Laviolette is good at taking established teams beyond their expectations. He's actually pretty bad with younger teams - even the Flyers he coached to the finals had most of their core youth in their mid-20s already. He's not the right coach for a team like the Rangers with an average age of 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Laviolette is good at taking established teams beyond their expectations. He's actually pretty bad with younger teams - even the Flyers he coached to the finals had most of their core youth in their mid-20s already. He's not the right coach for a team like the Rangers with an average age of 25. Doesn't the second bold actually tilt it more in favor of Laviolette based on the first bold? Regardless, this is a bit pointless like the "trade Trouba" discussion that surfaces. Neither are happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 stacked Predators team? they finished with only 94 points that season that tied them for 15th best in NHL. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2016/league in 2010 he took 18th best team into the finals. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2009/league Not so good coach after all then? 15th and 18th with teams that?s clearly better than the 2020 Rangers. I pass. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 stacked Predators team? they finished with only 94 points that season that tied them for 15th best in NHL. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2016/league in 2010 he took 18th best team into the finals. https://www.nhl.com/standings/2009/league I was talking about the last few years. The team that won the Presidents Cup in 18 was stacked. The point being, he couldn’t win with rosters significantly better than what the Rangers have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I was talking about the last few years. The team that won the Presidents Cup in 18 was stacked. The point being, he couldn’t win with rosters significantly better than what the Rangers have. Even then, the Predators defense in 2017 was significantly better and more experienced than what the Rangers have. Josi, Ellis, Subban, and Ekholm comprised their top 4 with Irwin and Yannick Weber as the bottom pair. The Rangers don't have anyone of Josi's caliber currently. Fox and Ellis are both pretty similar, but that's saying that the Rangers' best defenseman was equivalent to Nashville's #2. Subban and Trouba are both similar in contribution but Subban in 2017 was still better than Trouba is now. Ekholm is what you hope you can get out of Lindgren in the long-run. Irwin and Weber are both more competent and mobile than either Smith or Staal in their current states. That's just Nashville's defense. They then had better depth upfront. The Rangers might have significantly better firepower in top players like Zibanejad and Panarin, but as evidenced by this recent playoff there isn't much trickling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Most Rangers this season had their best offensive season in the league or was on pace for their best season, he’s handled the 3 goalie situation very well, and developed guys like Fox, Chytil, Lindgren masterfully in ny opinion. Are we blaming him because Howden sucks? Or scrapping what an overall good season it was because they got slapped around in a 3 game covid play in with no fans? Because Kakko mentally wasn’t mature enough when he started the season? This isn’t a Tom Renney situation. Quinn is a good coach. He has some maturing to do but he will get there. Stay the course. I can’t believe we are even having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I was talking about the last few years. The team that won the Presidents Cup in 18 was stacked. The point being, he couldn’t win with rosters significantly better than what the Rangers have. Those Predators teams had no elite offensive forwards besides Forseberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Those Predators teams had no elite offensive forwards besides Forseberg. Ok, whatever buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Al Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Take your pick on free agency 2020 https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Take your pick on free agency 2020 https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents how much would it cost to sign dusty buff ugly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 how much would it cost to sign dusty buff ugly? A 35 y old RD that cant defend is not what we need at the moment. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 This isn’t a Tom Renney situation. Quinn is a good coach. He has some maturing to do but he will get there. Stay the course. I can’t believe we are even having this conversation. I agree it isn't a Renney situation (a coach with a decent roster and the best goalie in the game barely making the playoffs but getting credit because the team was out of the playoffs for seven years before without that goalie and with an inferior roster). I'm certainly satisfied with his development of younger players. As for team-wide game coaching, he's nothing like what we see in the better coaches in these playoffs. The question is whether he will be that kind of coach by the time we have the necessary horses, which is getting closer. Review the Quinn situation in a year or a year and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I agree it isn't a Renney situation (a coach with a decent roster and the best goalie in the game barely making the playoffs but getting credit because the team was out of the playoffs for seven years before without that goalie and with an inferior roster). I'm certainly satisfied with his development of younger players. As for team-wide game coaching, he's nothing like what we see in the better coaches in these playoffs. The question is whether he will be that kind of coach by the time we have the necessary horses, which is getting closer. Review the Quinn situation in a year or a year and a half. What was the Renney situation? lack of accountability? in a year or 2 there might not be any great coaches available like Laviolette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 Renney lost like 11 of 12 games right before he was fired. That was why they axed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Renney lost like 11 of 12 games right before he was fired. That was why they axed him. hmm, this is not correct: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/128381-the-rangers-fire-tom-renney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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