BrooksBurner Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 So your evidence that we turned down Rasmus Sandin for Georgiev is Dreger and Mirtle agreeing that the Rangers wouldn't take Kasperi Kapanen as a fair trade? I'm not seeing Rasmus Sandin anywhere in there. Surely you see that this isn't quite holding up as a legitimate criticism of Gorton. In fairness, Leafs fan Brad with 63 Twitter followers is an impeccable source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 In fairness, Leafs fan Brad with 63 Twitter followers is an impeccable source. Good guy. Once got me a double double and a maple dip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 In fairness, Leafs fan Brad with 63 Twitter followers is an impeccable source. Good guy. Once got me a double double and a maple dip. 7:30 mark. https://post.futurimedia.com/chumam/playlist/22/listen-19795.html?cb=1580946400.545819 So either he wouldn't trade Geo for Sandin, or he was never going to trade Geo. And now Geo is pretty terrible, so either way you slice it, that's a bad call to not move an asset at peak value. Now he's stuck with 3 tendies and he'll likely buy out Lundy...Leading to another shit cap situation. Keep going boys, I can do this all day. The immense overreaction to calling Gorton a good GM who got extremely lucky with his best acquisitions...Is fascinating. The homerism is in full effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Dude... It's well documented all three players wanted to be here and Trouba and Fox forced it. Stating something that is understood by all doesn’t make the rest of your argument any better. A lot of players probably want to play in New York. Looks like Gorton made the right choices. Nobody could have expected things to go any better with the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Stating something that is understood by all doesn?t make the rest of your argument any better. A lot of players probably want to play in New York. Looks like Gorton made the right choices. Nobody could have expected things to go any better with the rebuild.Uh... Sure that's one way to look at it. He turns down bad players? I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Honestly I give up. I made my case. Good GM. Also really lucky GM. Wouldn't call him GM of the year. He traded for Strome which is all that really matters. Strome is carrying Panarin to an MVP. (If you don't pickup the sarcasm, I can't help you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Uh... Sure that's one way to look at it. He turns down bad players? I guess? I guess that is the way to look at it from the glass is half empty perspective. Not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 Gorton is a good GM, not a great one. I think this is pretty well borne out by his record. He got Strome for Spooner but also signed Spooner in the first place. He got Trouba for Pionk but also signed Trouba at 8x7. Its give and take all over. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I guess that is the way to look at it from the glass is half empty perspective. Not surprised. That was your take. :banghead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Honestly I give up. I made my case. Good GM. Also really lucky GM. Wouldn't call him GM of the year. He traded for Strome which is all that really matters. Strome is carrying Panarin to an MVP. (If you don't pickup the sarcasm, I can't help you) Your case got so destroyed that in the span of three pages you went from fortunate, to decent, to good when describing Gorton?s GM abilities. In a few more pages you will have him in the HOF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 *Michael Jackson popcorn GIF* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This is good news.. Continuity has value, and this leadership team from JD down seems to be getting the job done, and doing it with pace.. Gorton (whose only failing was not being the first GM in the history of sport to bat 1000) and Drury are both being rightly rewarded for a job well done, despite their shit stinking like most humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Your case got so destroyed that in the span of three pages you went from fortunate, to decent, to good when describing Gorton?s GM abilities. In a few more pages you will have him in the HOF.Hahahha. Whatever you say, guy. I guess you don't realize that a person can be good at their job, but also very fortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This is good news.. Continuity has value, and this leadership team from JD down seems to be getting the job done, and doing it with pace.. Gorton (whose only failing was not being the first GM in the history of sport to bat 1000) and Drury are both being rightly rewarded for a job well done, despite their shit stinking like most humans.Never failed? The Spooner Names and Trouba contracts would like a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Does Gorton get some credit for hiring Quinn, or is the jury still kind of out on him. I think overall he's done a good job this year and made some strides as a coach from last year. Although having some more talent certainly doesn't hurt. lol I wouldn't say he's great, as he still makes his fair share of odd decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Does Gorton get some credit for hiring Quinn, or is the jury still kind of out on him. I think overall he's done a good job this year and made some strides as a coach from last year. Although having some more talent certainly doesn't hurt. lol I wouldn't say he's great, as he still makes his fair share of odd decisions.Love Quinn, he's a second-year coach and sometimes it shows. But I think he's doing a good job. He's learning too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Love Quinn, he's a second-year coach and sometimes it shows. But I think he's doing a good job. He's learning too. You love the coach Gorton hired also? Was that fortunate? Geez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 You love the coach Gorton hired also? Was that fortunate? GeezI'm not gonna keep spelling it out for you if you don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Edit - Never mind, its not even worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'm not gonna keep spelling it out for you if you don't get it. I get it. You like just about everything Gorton has done but think most of it was accomplished because he is fortunate to be in New York. If only the GMs of the Knicks, Mets, Giants, and Jets enjoyed the same advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I get it. You like just about everything Gorton has done but think most of it was accomplished because he is fortunate to be in New York. If only the GMs of the Knicks, Mets, Giants, and Jets enjoyed the same advantage. I don't care about nor can I speak to other sports. This is a fact...Trouba had a short list (NYC area), Fox had one team on his list, and Panarin had a short list (NY Teams) This is all documented. Fox was not going to sign, he was going to be UFA, and he was coming to NY. Gorton just traded for him first. I'll just put how I feel about Gorton here (again) so you can stop trying to shiuft, finagle, reconstruct, or outright misconstrue it. This is how I see it. Strome is a good player who's in a fortunate position to score at a rate higher than he normally would because of where he is in the lineup. But I wouldn't pay Strome based on his point totals this year. Similarly, Gorton is a good GM who has the fortune of being in a city a lot of players want to play in, with a bankroll that allowed him to erase his own mistakes in Shattenkirk and throw money at Panarin. But I wouldn't call him GM of the year or give him high fives for Panarin, Fox, Trouba, the #2 overall falling in his lap, etc... His mismanagement of the cap meant he had to trade Skjei for space rather than trading to address a need (Like getting Trocek), didn't move Geo when Geo was at his peak... Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I don't care about nor can I speak to other sports. This is a fact...Trouba had a short list (NYC area), Fox had one team on his list, and Panarin had a short list (NY Teams) This is all documented. Fox was not going to sign, he was going to be UFA, and he was coming to NY. Gorton just traded for him first. I'll just put how I feel about Gorton here (again) so you can stop trying to shiuft, finagle, reconstruct, or outright misconstrue it. Like I mentioned previously, I like the way your thinking has come around since pg1 of this thread. Trouba and Fox were acquired via nice trades. Panarin signed for below what the Isles offered. For me Gorton is worth his weight in gold for just stealing Mika and having the arrow pointed up much sooner than anticipated. A rebuild is not easy, especially in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Like I mentioned previously, I like the way your thinking has come around since pg1 of this thread. That post is from page 1 of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tphilly5 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 That post is from page 1 of the thread. My bad. By your 8th post on the first page you were already coming around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 My bad. By your 8th post on the first page you were already coming around. Or it could just be that you don't get it, and never will? I'll simplify. A GM can be both lucky and good. I can call a GM lucky and good and it doesn't mean I have to hate, or love, every move. I'm free to say, "I like this move", "I don't like this move", or "Wow he got lucky there". That's really as simple as I can make it. Do you get it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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