LindG1000 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Andersson is more of a now player than draft picks. The free agents (Strome, Fast) are a tough sell if you can't keep them. Edmonton needs players with some level of built-in control if they're giving up a 21-year-old with the same. They're doing a heck of a job with that control element. How many NHL points does JP have at this point? Edmonton needing "now players" is fair, but I'm not sure they get "now + cost control" without either absolute certainty JP's coming back to the NHL if traded or adding something. I'd agree that giving Kreider here would be an error in judgment given the rental market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I like the idea of Puljujarvi in Rangers blue, but depends on the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Andersson, Krieder. Puljaarvi and EDM first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Andersson, Krieder. Puljaarvi and EDM first rounder. Does Edmonton do that knowing how unlikely they’d be to re-sign Kreider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Andersson, Krieder. Puljaarvi and EDM first rounder. Could do better imo. If the rumors are true, the best offer on the table for JP is Klim Kostin. We don't need to be the ones blowing EDM out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Does Edmonton do that knowing how unlikely they?d be to re-sign Kreider?How many people trade first round picks knowing they're not going to re-sign the player? Plenty. The other two are just change of scenery candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 How many people trade first round picks knowing they're not going to re-sign the player? Plenty. The other two are just change of scenery candidates. I don’t think Lias needs a change of scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I think they'd want one of our goalies, and I'm not prepared to give up either at this point. I'd also think Strome isn't an option to go to Edmonton. That leaves Kreider and Skjei, really, as like others, I don't think they would want futures in return. Would be very nice to build a package around Skjei but we'd probably have to take something like Russell back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I think they'd want one of our goalies, and I'm not prepared to give up either at this point. I'd also think Strome isn't an option to go to Edmonton. That leaves Kreider and Skjei, really, as like others, I don't think they would want futures in return. Would be very nice to build a package around Skjei but we'd probably have to take something like Russell back. Agreed. Totally need more than Puljujarvi for one of the goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I'd sooner do that (Andersson) than whatever combinations for someone like Kreider, who I see as arguably the best rental on the market this year. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I like Andersson a lot but if that's all it took, I'd be thrilled. If Kreider goes anywhere we need either a 1st rounder or a cost controlled, comparable player in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 To clarify, are you saying you?d rather do Andersson for Puljujarvi than Kreider for what? Not sure exactly what you mean. I don?t think you?re suggesting Puljujarvi for Kreider. I'm not. If it were me, I'd offer Andersson straight up. Maybe with some irrelevant sweetener (mid-round pick or prospect for the A). If Kreider is involved, I want EDM's first this year and a conditional first next year (think Zucc trade). Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I'm not. If it were me, I'd offer Andersson straight up. Maybe with some irrelevant sweetener (mid-round pick or prospect for the A). If Kreider is involved, I want EDM's first this year and a conditional first next year (think Zucc trade). Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Ok Didn?t think so. I don?t think I?d do Andersson for Puljujarvi straight up. Don?t get me wrong, I don?t think that?s anywhere near an unfair deal where one team is getting fleeced. I actually think that?s reasonably fair exchange But I like what I?ve seen from Andersson thus far and I?m actually more confident in his NHL future than Puljujarvi. Plus I think since he?s a homegrown guy they should keep him around. Lindgren or Rykov for Puljujarvi? Edmonton needs help on the wing but they could certainly use a D as well. It doesn?t have to be a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I like Andersson a lot but if that's all it took, I'd be thrilled. If Kreider goes anywhere we need either a 1st rounder or a cost controlled, comparable player in return. They might be able to get more for Kreider than that, given how awfully shitty the rental market is shaping up to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Depends on the cost but I would think they can get more for Kreider than just Puljuj?rvi Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 They might be able to get more for Kreider than that, given how awfully shitty the rental market is shaping up to look. Sure, I'm just saying one of those things needs to be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Sure, I'm just saying one of those things needs to be included. There’s no question he brings back a 1st rounder, or something of equivalent value, such as the aforementioned young, lower cost player with high potential upside and a good amount of team control. Or a top prospect. Any of those pieces should be the centerpiece of a trade. I’m interested to see if they can maybe snag two assets for him. Ideally, it’s one of a 1st round pick or top prospect or nice young player with affordable team control Plus a second piece that’s of value. Given what the rental market is looking like, that’s not unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I’ll also add that at some point, Gorton needs to hit one of these “deadline” or “rebuilding” deals out of the park I think his returns have all been in the average to good range. But none have been great to excellent. Where’s the deal that he gets a truly great return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I’ll also add that at some point, Gorton needs to hit one of these “deadline” or “rebuilding” deals out of the park I think his returns have all been in the average to good range. But none have been great to excellent. Where’s the deal that he gets a truly great return? I would argue that he knocked the Kevin Hayes trade out of the park. I don't think anyone else got as much at the deadline for a player that Gorton did for Hayes, and it essentially wound up being Hayes and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I would argue that he knocked the Kevin Hayes trade out of the park. I don't think anyone else got as much at the deadline for a player that Gorton did for Hayes, and it essentially wound up being Hayes and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux.I mean... Jury still out considering that we paid Trouba and our lack of centers... I'd argue... That's not a really great deal. It's kind of a meh, alright then deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I mean... Jury still out considering that we paid Trouba and our lack of centers... I'd argue... That's not a really great deal. It's kind of a meh, alright then deal. What Trouba got paid and whether or not he's worth 8M AAV is a separate discussion. In trade terms, he's worth far more than Hayes. I'd also rather have Trouba at 8 than Hayes at 7.25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 What Trouba got paid and whether or not he's worth 8M AAV is a separate discussion. In trade terms, he's worth far more than Hayes. I'd also rather have Trouba at 8 than Hayes at 7.25.Well what Philly paid Hayes is a separate discussion. ;-) Hayes is a good forward and Pionk an average defenseman. Trouba is a good defensman and Lemiuex is an average forward. It's pretty break even AFAIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Well what Philly paid Hayes is a separate discussion. ;-) Hayes is a good forward and Pionk an average defenseman. Trouba is a good defensman and Lemiuex is an average forward. It's pretty break even AFAIC. Touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I would argue that he knocked the Kevin Hayes trade out of the park. I don't think anyone else got as much at the deadline for a player that Gorton did for Hayes, and it essentially wound up being Hayes and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux. It’s not unfair to say that. But we are still talking about multiple deals being made there. If we have to do that, he hasn’t really nailed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I think the Nash trade to the Bruins was Gorton?s best trade. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 It’s not unfair to say that. But we are still talking about multiple deals being made there. If we have to do that, he hasn’t really nailed one. It was great value at the time just to get a 1st + Lemieux, and we don't know what that 1st would have been if we kept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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