Albatrosss Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Kreider is definitely a heavy hitter. his hits when he just came into the NHL were devesting as I remember. people were getting hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangers723 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 That's your bias speaking. 159 hits last year. Only Ovie and Evander Kane had more hits with more goal production in the league. That's the definition of today's power forward. Excellent Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Kreider is a 40-50 point guy though and people are saying he's going to get 6-7 mill. How is 5 mill for the exact same production a bad contract? IMO Zucker is world's better than Names, Strome and Vesey. I really disagree with how much you devalue this guy. Maybe I need to see more of him, because I think of him as what Vesey SHOULD be. I don't keep Kreider here at 7 mill to always be an underachiever and screen the goalie. He's never going to break out of it here. You trade him for picks, you get Zucker on the cheap and you sign Panarin. You then hope a youngster can overtake Zuckers spot and you delegate Zucker to an even more two way style on the third line. You have to have room for advancement. Kreider locked in at 7 mill to once again disappoint, isn't going to benefit the kids. Zucker is a good role model for these younger guys (he just won the King Clancy award). If you can also shed Vesey, and add this kind of character player, I think it could help out things on track going forward. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/z/zuckeja01.html https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kreidch01.html Depends on how you want to construct your roster. Both Zucker and Kreider are productive players. Kreider is better at going to the net, Zucker is a better playmaker. Get a lot of Wild games in Minnesota so I've seen a lot of Zucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Ask yourself, from that list... who's a real sonofabitch to play against and then you'll see 1 of those players isn't like the other 2. Hits is also a subjective stat and alot of systems go into it. Krieder is almost always the F1 in and the other 2 not so much. It doesn't make him particularly hard to play against. And regarding the bias comment, if thinking he's rather ordinary means I'm bias, then sure. I'm bias. I think saying we need to avoid "danger zone" contracts but want to pay Kreider 7 million... That's a far bigger and more dangerous bias. OK for first line players. And I still dont like it. I'd rather wait until the deadline to see what he can do, but I have no issue pulling the trigger on a good deal. But Kreider is a great asset, and you cant undersell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger ? 23h Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Andersson and Shattenkirk (50%) for Kadri and #53. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Andersson and Shattenkirk (50%) for Kadri and #53. :D And then you woke up. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 That’s not even a good deal for the Rangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 That’s not even a good deal for the Rangers No? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I'd for sure do that.. I think getting out of Toronto would do wonders for Kadri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 we do need 2C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 That’s not even a good deal for the Rangers Haven't you heard? Anderson sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 we do need 2C Ideally its Chytil. Stop-gap is Strome. I wouldnt give up any kid for Kadri. And what are the chances the pick is better than Andersson? Kadri for Shatty - sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Haven't you heard? Anderson sucks. no need to remind most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Ideally its Chytil. Stop-gap is Strome. I wouldnt give up any kid for Kadri. And what are the chances the pick is better than Andersson? Kadri for Shatty - sure. 100% agree here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Ideally its Chytil. Stop-gap is Strome. I wouldnt give up any kid for Kadri. And what are the chances the pick is better than Andersson? Kadri for Shatty - sure. Could be too much pressure for Chytil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I thought he did pretty well when moved to C at the end of last season. Sure, there will be pressure. In my mock lineups, I always had someone like Panarin on his wing, or other vets. I'd like to see him given the opportunity to improve his offensive game. He was more noticeable in the middle (other than 2 highlight reel goals) He will have his ups-and-downs, but its a great time to learn and get comfortable in that role. It's going to be 20 years before we'll be able to see kids getting a chance to learn at the NHL level again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Not sure Panarin would play on second line. Or with Chytil as center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger ? 23h Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well. Why are they dealing Kadri?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 cap space. dont have a lot of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Money or should I say cap room Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Joe Fortunato of Blueshirts Banter @JoeFortunatoBSB Some heat around Colorado and NYR. Obviously not for the 4th overall, but I?d keep an eye on the 16th. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Joe Fortunato of Blueshirts Banter @JoeFortunatoBSB Some heat around Colorado and NYR. Obviously not for the 4th overall, but I’d keep an eye on the 16th. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Love it. Let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Joe Fortunato is saying we are looking at Peyton Krebs who?s ?falling? due to torn Achilles. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Love it. Let's go! Kreids would be perfect for them. They have the cap and they need 2nd line wingers. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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