Long live the King Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Well, Gorton has proved the rebuild is in full effect. Out on any big names, made all three first round picks, hired a developmental coach. He's showed his commitment to taking some lumps and doing this a little differently than the NYR have in the past. I made a post a while back about taking on a bad contract, and limited it to sorter deals. Now that Gorton has laid everything on the table, longer deals like Lucic's are back in play. Here's how the numbers shake out... 2018/19: Currently have ~$29.5M in cap sapce. Key resignings: Skjei ($4.5), Hayes ($5), Names ($4.5), Spooner ($3.5), Vesey ($2.5). That would leave us ~$9.5M with our roster pretty much filled out. Plenty of room to take on Lucic's $6M, especially if one of those RFA forwards goes the other way. Now you're thinking, "Yea, but Lucic's deal has FIVE more years on it?" Ok, so say Spooner and his $3.5M go the other way in taking on Lucic. That would put us at ~$7M in cap space. Zucc ($4.5) and one of Hayes or Names traded at the deadline and we're looking at $16M in cap space for summer 2019. Summer 2019: ~$16M in cap space Key resignings: Buch, Pionk, DeAngelo Summer 2020: ~$10.9M coming off the books Key resignings: Kreider, Fast (that's if Kreiders isn't traded) Summer 2021: Now it gets interesting. Lucic has 2 years left. Key resignings: Lias, Chytil, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Ronning (Pretty much any prospect we have signed that has a shot) ~$25M set to come off the books in Hank, Staal, Shatty, and Smith At this point you can consider a buyout on Lucic. This years picks will be on ELC's until 2022 at the earliest. So, as a comparable, Florida traded Lawson Crouse one year after drafting him #11 overall for a 3rd round pick in order to dump 3 years of Bolland @ $5.5M. To NYR: [Good] 2019 1st round pick (unprotected) and Puljujarvi along with [bad] 5 years of Lucic @ $6M To Edmonton: Spooner (Depth scoring they need), any D prospect other than Miller or Lundkvist, the latest of whatever 2019 2nd round picks we have. Yes, IMO Lucic's contract is that bad and Edmonton desperately needs to move it in order to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I like it but that probably means Hajek going the other way if you give choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 How about skeij, spooner, 3rd For Lucic Pujliarvi 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 I like it but that probably means Hajek going the other way if you give choice Thought about having him and Rykov on the no go list also... I prefer it was Day or Lindgren. Or one of DeAngelo or Pionk since keeping both is a little redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 How about skeij, spooner, 3rd For Lucic Pujliarvi 1st Keeping Hajek to add Skjei makes it better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Be like Yzerman, Hajek and Skjei is off limits, as are our 1sts. Replace them with any other D, and Tampa's 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 #NeverLooch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Taking a couple of bad contracts is one thing, but taking an egregious one that is 5 years long is another. Anything more than 2 years, maybe 3, is just too long IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Honestly, even at 50%, the five year term is still making me lean hard no. It's just too damned long. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Lucic has a No Movement Clause and he has already talked about expecting to rebound next year in Edmonton. Why would he have any interest in waiving to come to the rebuilding New York Rangers for any potential productive years he may have left in the tank? For arguments sake though, let's say he is interested in that deal. No. No way. Forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I’d take awful contracts with only a couple years left on the deal as long as the pot is sweetened considerably.. Too soo for #HorribleForHughes, #Junk4Jack hashtags? although I’m sure we’d go off script and not take him :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty9 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 are we getting McDavid in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Lucic has a No Movement Clause and he has already talked about expecting to rebound next year in Edmonton. Why would he have any interest in waiving to come to the rebuilding New York Rangers for any potential productive years he may have left in the tank? For arguments sake though, let's say he is interested in that deal. No. No way. Forget it. Isn’t this the exact type of team for a guy in his situation? If he can come with a bit of salary retained, comes ready to play, he couldn’t get some good ice time, PP time, chance to get those stats to rebound. He can get moved in 2 seasons, with more retention, if there’s a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Nope. Not unless they trade one one of RNH OR Draisaitl. If Edmonton had no future, I'd think more about it, but they stand a chance to improve no matter what they do, and have a pick late in the 1st round. I'm not taking any big contract without getting something of value back. Edmonton's first round pick next year won't be of enough value to eat that money. I have mentioned that I don't think Lucic is finished or as bad as people say. I'd totally take him on the Rangers. But the pot has to be really sweet. It'd have to be one of their centers. I'd take RNH. BUT Edmonton needs to absorb money's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 I want to sign Brooks Orpik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Why? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Why? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkLeadership and bad on ice play. We need both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 True. Hope for Hughes! Sign Orpik! Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 Honestly, even at 50%, the five year term is still making me lean hard no. It's just too damned long. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk We're in a unique spot where every single contract we have except for Zib (and a potential bad one) comes off the books by the time we need to start resigning ELC's. We'll have plenty of money to resign any kids worth keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 Lucic has a No Movement Clause and he has already talked about expecting to rebound next year in Edmonton. Why would he have any interest in waiving to come to the rebuilding New York Rangers for any potential productive years he may have left in the tank? For arguments sake though, let's say he is interested in that deal. No. No way. Forget it. Lucic was just an example to show numbers on a long term deal. Maybe he'd waive if he never saw the ice in Edmonton. What's he gonna rebound to, 20 goals and 40 points? For how long? Edmonton needs that money to fix their D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I don?t think we need a center, we need righthanded forwards, give me Puljujarvi and Yamamoto Plus I don?t think Lucius contract is as bad as people think. Yes it?s a cap hit of 6 mil. over 5 yrs left. But this year he has a 3.5 mil. signing bonus. Which if I?m right kicks in on July 01st, so a deal would have to be made official after that day much like the Brassard deal. That Will give him an actual contract of 3.5 mil. for this year. Then the following 4 yrs it?s 6,4,5,4 mil. So technically he has 22.5 mil and 5 yrs. left. Or 4.5 mil. Avg. There are plenty of teams that don?t spend the cap who would definitely do that with a 1st and Puljujarvi. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 I don’t think we need a center, we need righthanded forwards, give me Puljujarvi and Yamamoto. Plus I don’t think Lucius contract is as bad as people think. Yes it’s a cap hit of 6 mil. over 5 yrs left. But this year he has a 3.5 mil. signing bonus. Which if I’m right kicks in on July 01st, so a deal would have to be made official after that day much like the Brassard deal. That Will give him an actual contract of 3.5 mil. for this year. Then the following 4 yrs it’s 6,4,5,4 mil. So technically he has 22.5 mil and 5 yrs. left. Or 4.5 mil. Avg. There are plenty of teams that don’t spend the cap who would definitely do that with a 1st and Puljujarvi. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk For the Rangers the actual amount of real money they are spending doesn't matter. Its all about fitting it under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Yep, but what I?m saying is we can make the deal, take Lucic contract and in a year or 2, dump it ourselves on a team that doesn?t spent their cap. I?m agreeing with Long Live the King, What we are looking to do is add a couple of young players to our Team. It was said earlier, we are not gonna reach the cap this year because there are no good free agents out there. Depending on who?s available next year and how many of our young guys have developed we may or may not spend our cap next. But the year after that we can always deal Lucic contract ( in 2yrs time he will have, after the 3mil signing bonus 1,5,4 mil left on his deal in actual salary)3 yrs and 10 mil. I?m just further breaking down the actual contract to show that it can be done. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I don?t think we need a center, we need righthanded forwards, give me Puljujarvi and Yamamoto Plus I don?t think Lucius contract is as bad as people think. Yes it?s a cap hit of 6 mil. over 5 yrs left. But this year he has a 3.5 mil. signing bonus. Which if I?m right kicks in on July 01st, so a deal would have to be made official after that day much like the Brassard deal. That Will give him an actual contract of 3.5 mil. for this year. Then the following 4 yrs it?s 6,4,5,4 mil. So technically he has 22.5 mil and 5 yrs. left. Or 4.5 mil. Avg. There are plenty of teams that don?t spend the cap who would definitely do that with a 1st and Puljujarvi. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk No, it won't. This isn't how contracts work in the NHL. They're based on AAV unless one team trades the player and retains upward of 50% in the deal. The only way Lucic has a cap hit of $3.5 million against the cap is if EDM agrees to this, in fact. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 READ, I never said it was a cap hit of 3.5 mil. I said it?s an actual salary. WE WON?T HIT the cap with the team we have and there?s no good free agents out there worth paying. If we need to trade him later there are plenty of teams who don?t spend their cap, that would absorb his cap hit, and be able to pay his actual salary. Big difference between actual salary and cap hit salary. What I was alluding to before was, his contract isn?t a total dump, it?s not gonna be a desperation trade for Edmonton or a dead contract to us. As other teams will take his contract along with Puljujarvi and a 1st and be willing to give them a halfway decent return because they can fit his cap hit under their cap with them just paying his 3.5 mil. Bonus and washing their hands of the rest of his contract because the actual is less than the cap hit. So as far as asking them to take part of his contract is not gonna happen. Let?s just take it along with Puljujarvi and the 1st and run with it. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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